Canons of Dorte and TULIP - Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:39 AM
Hi
I read something recently that I want to check the facts out first before I comment (if I comment) on.
What I have noticed is nobody on the Reformed site seems to have challenged it; though they have challenged other things the person said.
Understand here, I realize that the Canons of Dordt, are not spelt out as TULIP; however as I look at them, I do not see anything in TULIP that goes against the Canons of Dorte either.
The person who wrote this is a Lutheran and seems to have a penchant against Calvinism. Some of it rings true, but I perceive it may be written in a manner to be deceptive.
Jacob Arminius if understand properly, came out of the Reformed tradition, but went against them, which eventually ended up showing in the 5 Articles of the Remonstrance; which the Canons of Dorte specifically answered.
Also, the Lutherans I have been running into a lot lately, seem to be very much against Limited Atonement.
I thought of one other thing, concerning the Lutheran who gave me the quote. In the past, he has also vehemently said that the traditional Reformed view that states that: (relying on memory here)
is error because the words because it makes the works of the person, part of salvation. When one, tries to show them, the last part is sanctification, not justification. Of which where there is justification, it is shown in sanctification. That Lutheran and apparently all Lutherans disagree.
It seems to me then that this makes them Antinominians.
Yet, I do not want to misrepresent anyone.
Any facts people can give me, would be very much appreciated.
Tom
I read something recently that I want to check the facts out first before I comment (if I comment) on.
What I have noticed is nobody on the Reformed site seems to have challenged it; though they have challenged other things the person said.
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A comment by a friend is relevant here.
There's no historic Calvinist denomination that requires anyone to subscribe to TULIP. TULIP is first developed in 1905 but doesn't become popular until the 1930s. It's a poor summary of the conclusions of the Canons of Dordt which is popular because it's easy to remember and sounds like a pretty flower.
The Canons of Dordt themselves were not written to define Calvinism or Calvinist thought but were written as a reaction against the 5 Articles of the Remonstrance written by what are now called Arminians. The Arminians were not some outsider group but a group that developed within the Calvinist churches. Calvinism and Arminianism aren't opposites. Arminianism is a type of Calvinism.
A sane and reasonable person who wanted to instruct someone in Calvinism would probably take them through the Heidelberg Catechism and then through the Belgic Confession and then the Canons of Dordt. But people on Facebook who have never even bothered to read their own Confessional documents are yelling at people for not being consistent with TULIP and evaluating everything around them based on this stupid flower that doesn't even accurately summarize the Canons of Dordt. I realized most of this ... by reading stuff by Richard Muller.
There's no historic Calvinist denomination that requires anyone to subscribe to TULIP. TULIP is first developed in 1905 but doesn't become popular until the 1930s. It's a poor summary of the conclusions of the Canons of Dordt which is popular because it's easy to remember and sounds like a pretty flower.
The Canons of Dordt themselves were not written to define Calvinism or Calvinist thought but were written as a reaction against the 5 Articles of the Remonstrance written by what are now called Arminians. The Arminians were not some outsider group but a group that developed within the Calvinist churches. Calvinism and Arminianism aren't opposites. Arminianism is a type of Calvinism.
A sane and reasonable person who wanted to instruct someone in Calvinism would probably take them through the Heidelberg Catechism and then through the Belgic Confession and then the Canons of Dordt. But people on Facebook who have never even bothered to read their own Confessional documents are yelling at people for not being consistent with TULIP and evaluating everything around them based on this stupid flower that doesn't even accurately summarize the Canons of Dordt. I realized most of this ... by reading stuff by Richard Muller.
Understand here, I realize that the Canons of Dordt, are not spelt out as TULIP; however as I look at them, I do not see anything in TULIP that goes against the Canons of Dorte either.
The person who wrote this is a Lutheran and seems to have a penchant against Calvinism. Some of it rings true, but I perceive it may be written in a manner to be deceptive.
Jacob Arminius if understand properly, came out of the Reformed tradition, but went against them, which eventually ended up showing in the 5 Articles of the Remonstrance; which the Canons of Dorte specifically answered.
Also, the Lutherans I have been running into a lot lately, seem to be very much against Limited Atonement.
I thought of one other thing, concerning the Lutheran who gave me the quote. In the past, he has also vehemently said that the traditional Reformed view that states that: (relying on memory here)
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Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone; but not by a faith that is alone.
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but not by a faith that is alone.
It seems to me then that this makes them Antinominians.
Yet, I do not want to misrepresent anyone.
Any facts people can give me, would be very much appreciated.
Tom