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What, me worry? said: Piper quotes Edwards in his paper saying that God does have two wills, a secret or decretive will and a general (another word to describe it- revealed? will). The Timothy passage falls under the general or revealed will. Piper goes at great lengths to explain the difference as I am sure Jonathan Edwards did also. Piper's paper has been discussed on the Board some time ago and he is found wanting in his view. There is no dissimulation in God, e.g., "two wills". What God desires is what He has decreed. There is certainly the "decretive" aspect and the "prescriptive" aspect to the ONE will; i.e., 1) That which God desires and has decreed and will infallibly come to pass, and 2) that which God requires of men (personal responsibility), by which all men will be judged. If God "desired", i.e., willed that all men be saved, then of necessity, all would be saved. To even suggest that God "desires" all men to be saved and that the salvation of those whom He so desires will not infallibly come to pass is to deny the absolute sovereignty of God and to portray God as one whose desires are constantly thwarted. To put it simply, it would portray God as One Who has nothing more to rely upon than wishful thinking; a hope that someone would repent and believe upon Christ. Perhaps you didn't read my reply to "tj" here: My reply where I provided a link to Dr. Gary Long's exegetical study of 1Tim. 2:4 which goes into some detail showing the fallacy of the Arminian and Amyraldian views? In His Grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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thredj
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