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Thank you for the entertainment. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/jester.gif" alt="" /> No you, or should I say Wenzel, did not answer my questions according to Scripture. Here are just a few more points: What did Jesus do in hell? He went to khrussei/n or to proclaim or to herald. Colossians 2:15 clearly describes how Jesus preached. He did not go to preach the Gospel and give the spirits' another chance to be saved as some interpret (Origen, Marcion). The preacher here is very clear as in 2 Peter 2:5 Noah is described as “a preacher of righteousness.” Furthermore, as 1 Peter 4:4-6 reveals the “dead” to whom the gospel was preached were not yet dead when it was preached unto them, since part of the preaching was “that they might be judged according to men in the flesh.” This could only take place during their life on earth. As Berkhof comments, “the common Protestant interpretation of this passage is that the Spirit of Christ preached through Noah to the disobedient that lived before the flood, who were spirits in prison when Peter wrote, and therefore could be distinguished as thus.” Before summarizing the conclusions of the first section, it was stated above that more should be said on the timing of the vivificatio of the Savior. When was Jesus made alive in His glory to descend is the question. The Bible points out that Jesus' spirit at the time of His death went into the hands of His Father (Lk. 23:46). It also declares that on the same day of His death Jesus was in paradise (Lk. 23:43). In addition, we have every reason to claim that Jesus lay in the grave for the full time He predicted (Mt. 12:40, 26:61, 27:40&63; Mark 8:31; Jn 2:19&20). Finally, there is Peter's record that makes it clear that Jesus was vivified and descended for a very short time before he appeared to man. Since the rest of what Wenzel wrote depends on his summary may I just ask, "Where in the Scripture does it say that Christ descended for only a short time?" Indeed, does not the Scripture emphatically state; Mark 16:8-10 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid. Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. Now if Jesus just finished parading through Hell with His victory procession, Mary could not have been first! Either the Bible is a lie or else Wenzel and yourself have failed to read it once again? Sorry, Speratus, I’ll stick with the Scripture and not a slice and dice man-made isogesis to attempt to correct Scripture with a misinterpreted creed.
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