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Dear Puritan, I raised my point about Bible translation and language to say, that I believe, that the evryone will get the opportunity to hear the gopel of Jesus Christ and it can happen in the abscence of access to the Bible in their own language or in the abscence of a "preacher" speaking that language. I believe that the Holy Spirit moves upon whomever is yielded to Him and that just as He moved upon Paul and Peter and the Apostles and upon the congregation who Paul addressed in 1Corinthians 14:1-40, that the Holy Spirit still moves upon persons today.
It's also the theology of the Church that I attend. I am almost sure I said that before. I guess you may say that I should leave, if I think differently.
To CovenantInBlood: As much as you may not have received my apology for my attitude in the past discourse (owing to the fact that you have not acknowledged it), I did say I was sorry and am taking a calmer approach to this discussion.
Now I have read the passage in 1Corinthians 13 speaking about all kinds of Spiritual Gifts, among them Profecy and Tongues, Knowledge, Kindness etc. and I do not agree that this passage says that Tongues and Prophecy do not exist at this time as this is still a part of the dispensation of Grace. I do think that it was meant to show the importance of Love over any gift, and I happen to agree with this thought. Love is the primary gift that we get from God. It is Love that motivated Him as stated in John 3:16.
Where we disagree, and therefore, owing to the fact that the idea is a fundamental principle of our theology, is where it is said that God only speaks through the Bible now, I think that this is a serious topic for both of us and we should just agree to disagree since we both hold to our belief on this matter.
Up to recently there has been much discussion over the period of time before the Letters comprising the New Testament scriptures were written and compiled and this therefore makes it difficult to place the actual time on the publishing (in whatever form) of our Bible. So at what time did the Prophecies and Tongues stop alltogether? Is there a part in the Bible that says it stopped at this point after the last letter was written and which letter is the last.
I am not suggesting that you change your belief, I am suggesting that I have examined this claim and have had problems with it based on the Biblical references that are not conclusive on this topic and the fact that there are evidences that all the Gifts are still at work. Not suggesting either that any Gift should take a place that is higher than the Bible. These gifts are still at work Romans 11:29, Romans 12:3-9, 1Corinthians 12, all of the gifts until 2 Thessalonians 2:7 that is what I believe. The real question to ask is why God saves anyone. It's not like God is lonely and needs us. It's by God's sheer unconditional mercy and love that anyone is saved. (See Romans 11:33-36)
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