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Relztrah said: But at the risk repeating myself, I just don't think this debate is taking place in the fellowship hall after worship on Sunday. Relztrah, But that is exactly my point and where the true danger lies. Aside from any speculation of the origin of these heretical teachings which seek to distort the biblical truth concerning justification by faith alone, the present danger is that those who embrace it are being allowed to teach it and preach it without hindrance. Thus, you are not going to find a NPP, FV or AA protagonist preacher coming straight out and clearly stating, behind the pulpit, that he thinks that the Reformers, Puritans and the WCF erred and that the Church needs to return to the "truth". And that later on that evening, there will be an open discussion on this matter. Without doubt, they are going to follow the methodology of the Evil One and say, "Hath God not said...?" I tell you, that this is how denominations and churches "die". False teachers and false teachings are allowed to be promulgated for years and thus the virus is able to infect many people in the Church. In the N.T. we see Paul, Peter, et al dealing swiftly with such people and their false teachings, warning them not to allow those men a platform to speak. In fact, they were to be excommunicated from their respective assemblies. The problem, which has already been stated, is that those in authority today have failed to deal with the issue, for whatever reason(s), over many years. You might be shocked to see how widespread these false teachings have reached. There is, of course, the other side of this matter and that is that the sovereign Lord has ordained that these things should occur in the Church. (1Cor 11:19; cf. 2Pet 2:1) However, the fact that such things have been ordained does NOT relieve those ordained to the office of Elder to guard the sheep (Acts 20:28, 29) and to ward off any "wolves" that might attack and consume them. Shepherds of actual sheep don't gather round and discuss whether or not what they see is actually a wolf or a sheep. They don't form committees to try and discover what the actual intent of the yet unidentified animal is, whether or not it means to harm the sheep or help them, etc., etc.... when all the while the wolves are killing off the flock!  Methinks that the wolves are getting fatter by the day.  In His grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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