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CovenantInBlood said:
He invested a lot of space also to the ceremonial law. But when the ceremonial law was abolished, there was very clear teaching that it was abolished. Galatians, Hebrews, the Gospels, Colossians. That is not true for cessation of gifts (ie, tongues and prophecy.) The only verse that even remotely appears to teach cessation is dealing with the second coming of Christ. As far as I can tell, that hasn't happened yet. 1 Corinthians 13:8-12 ESV Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. (9) For we know in part and we prophesy in part, (10) but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. (11) When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. (12) For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known." I will re-read those articles. May I suggest another resource for you? Try reading the Four Views book by IVP on Charismatic Gifts. Read especially the Third Wave View by Sam Storms. In my estimation, he absolutely dismantles the cessationist view (as well as the Pentecostal view) in one clean conscise article. Also note, his responses to each of the other views. John Piper "My own answer to the question how the power of the word and the authenticating function of signs and wonders fit together is this. The Bible teaches that the gospel preached is the power of God unto salvation (Rom. 1:16; 1 Cor. 1:23). It also teaches that the demand for signs in the presence of God's word is the mark of an evil and adulterous generation (Matt. 16:4; 1 Cor. 1:22). But the Bible also says that Paul and Barnabas "remained a long time [in Iconium] speaking boldly for the Lord, who bore witness to the word of his grace, granting signs and wonders to be done by their hands" (Acts 14:3; cf. Heb. 2:4; Mark 16:20). So signs and wonders were God's attesting witness to the spoken word of the gospel. Could we not then say, in putting all this together, that signs and wonders function in relation to the word of God, as striking, wakening, channels for the self-authenticating glory of Christ in the gospel? Signs and wonders do not save. They do not transform the heart. Only the glory of Christ seen in the gospel has the power to do that (2 Cor. 3:18-4:6). But evidently, God chooses at times to use signs and wonders along side his regenerating word to win a hearing and to shatter the shell of disinterest and cynicism and false religion, and help the fallen heart fix its gaze on the gospel." With you in Christ, Kevin
“All that may be known of God for our salvation, especially his wisdom, love, goodness, grace and mercy on which the life of a soul depends, are represented to us in all their splendour in and through Christ.” John Owen
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