In reply to:[color:"blue"]Your insinuation that Venema, myself, or other individuals in the A-Mil camp do not know history or anything about the Post-Mil view is indeed [laughable]
I never insinuated that about you or Dr. Venema or "other individuals in the A-Mil camp". In fact, I had said the very opposite when I pointed out how you had later began to describe the postmillennial view "more accurately". I had also expressed to Pilgrim, my awareness of Dr. Venema's scholarly credibility.
In reply to:[color:"blue"]Additionally, this is not only his research, but that of several others that have come to the same conclusion.
Research which could very well be mistaken in some areas, since Dr. Venema is not infallble, nor are the others who agree with him.
In reply to:[color:"blue"]The only problem here is that you cannot refute what was written
Where Amillennialism is in agreement with Postmillennialism such as on the timing of the inaugaration of Christ's earthly and spiritual Messianic Kingdom, then why would I want to refute that?
In reply to:[color:"blue"]and thus your Post-straw-man is all burnt up
What exactly is my alleged "Post-straw-man"? Rhetoric is much easier than a valid argument.
In reply to:[color:"blue"]Of course, if Post-Mil is incorrect other systems you embrace crumble as well
Really? So then that would be mean that 5 Point Calvinism, Covenant Theology, The Trinity, the Inerrancy of the Bible, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, and even my Christian theism would "crumble as well", and I would be left with Atheism?? [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img]
In reply to:[color:"blue"]See the Bible uses the term creature. ....I am surprised you did not understand this, but apologize that you took offense, though I used a biblical term
Of course I know of the Biblical use of the word "creature". Your insinuation that I don't is insulting, but what else is new? However your original usage of the word when applied exclusively to the postmillennialist and not to other millenial adherents, clearly implied a non-Biblical usage and a derogatory one at that. Your Spin-doctoring of this is very amusing though.[img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/rofl.gif" alt="rofl" title="rofl[/img] But can you honestly admit that your original use of the word "creature" was intended in the Biblical sense and not one of a subtle insult? You never said that about the Amillennialist until now. So your spin-doctoring is open for all to see.
In reply to:[color:"blue"]BTW have you ever read Venema[?]
As I mentioned to Pilgrim. I have not yet read Venema, but I look forward to doing so in the future.
In reply to:[color:"blue"]I have read your book(s) Three Views of the Future [various authors], The Millennium [Boettner], Dispensationalism or Postmillennialism, An Eschatology of Hope [Mathison], et. al.
That is very good beginning. There is also:
Kenneth Gentry's He Shall Have Dominion Greg Bahnsen's Victory In Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillennialism John Jefferson Davis's Christ's Victorious Kingdom Roderick Campbell's Israel and the New Covenant Iain Murray's The Puritan Hope Marcellus Kik's An Eschatology of Victory David Brown's Christ's Second Coming Reformed Commentaries on Romans 11 by John Murray, Charles Hodge, W. Shedd, R. Haldane, David Brown and Matthew Henry J.A. De Jong's As the Waters Cover the Sea: Millennial Expectations in the Rise of Anglo-American Missions, 1640-1810 Errol Hulse's The Restoration of Israel William Symington's Messiah the Prince: The Mediatorial Dominion of Jesus Christ F. Nigel Lee's Christocratic Eschatology Gary DeMar's, Reduction of Christianity and his Last Days Madness David Chilton's, Paradise Restored and his Days of Vengeance Gary North's Millennialism and Social Theory and his Dominion and Common Grace. Also, the various writings of B.B. Warfield and other early Princeton Theologians and numerous puritan writings too.
And yes, I have read Vos, Bavinck and Hoekema, as well as other Amill writers (Hendrikson, Grier, Cox, Engelsma, etc). I was once an Amillennialist back in the 1980's. I even remember reading Boettner's Reformed Doctrine of Predestination back then, and I recall disagreeing at that time with his postmillennialism expressed in that book, while fully appreciating its great truths of the doctrines of sovereign grace. But of course, I later came to see that Boettner was correct on postmillennialism after all. [img]http://www.the-highway.com/w3timages/icons/grin.gif" alt="grin" title="grin[/img]
