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historyb said:
interesting take esp. when Christ himself said "forgive them for they know not what they do." No repentance their yet forgivness is offered and asked for.

No, forgiveness is not offered by Christ. He does not do any forgiving, but asks that the Father forgive them. And given the overall teaching of Scripture, it would seem evident that Christ ultimately was requesting the Father to send His Spirit to regenerate those for whom Christ prayed.

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Even in the verse I quoted it says nothing about repentance.

Which is proof of nothing, especially when we have passages that explicitly make forgiveness dependent on repentance, as for example "chestnutmare" quoted Luke 17:3-4: "Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. And if he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, saying, 'I repent,' forgive him."

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If someone does something wrong to me and I know it, I should offer forgiveness. However, if I don't know it than I couldn't.

They should be notified of their wrongful action first, and if they repent, then forgiven.

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The Amish knew what wroned them and they forgave, that does not need mean that there should not be justice.

They were in no position to forgive him because he is not around to repent or to be forgiven. His actions clearly demonstrate that he is now awaiting final judgement in hell--we have no right to forgive him.

Kyle

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified.