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[color:"blue"] I didn't call them a cult. I said it is what cults do.



If the mentioning of similar cult practices had no bearing on the Auburn men as individuals (and I take your word for it), then it was an irrelevant thesis to inject into the thread.

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[color:"blue"] So even if I am wrong about what Calvin taught [in these matters], I know what the Bible teaches. It is the Bible we measure teaching against. So while I certainly am not qualified to speak on whether the Auburnites match up with medieval thought, It is easy to see that do not match up with the Bible. One is not saved temporally, or you distort the meaning of teh word 'saved'. What are they saved from? Hell? But they still go there. So they were never saved from hell and hence not saved. Here then is another problem. If one is 'saved' how does one know it is temporary or permanent? No one could be sure until the end when they finally persevered. or persevered for the last time and then died. If one can know they are saved permanently NOW then why designate any other 'saved' as temporary?



Mike, consider the following verses, and for a moment, just consider the possibility that the word “salvation” does not always and only refer to the moment of conversion:

Hebrews 9:28: So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

Romans 13:11: And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.

1 Peter 1:3-5: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Given these verses, is it not true that there is a sense in which salvation is still awaiting us and that only those who persevere to the end faithfully will be saved?

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[color:"blue"] Just because you believe that the covenant of grace is one with the old does not make it so.



Thank you for that reminder. My point was simply to demonstrate how a refusal to think outside one’s own system of thought will result in an inability to accurately assess internal coherency in somebody else’s paradigm because he’ll keep reading back his own terms into it.

I have responded to the remainder of your post in a new thread since it is dealing with a new topic.

Regards,

~Jason