Greetings Mike.<br><br>You previously wrote:<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"] The Bible speaks of the New Covenant as being NOT one with the Old but New being built on better promises. If a covenant is built on better promises than perforce it is built on different promises. And if the foundations are different, then the covenants must also be different. The new Covenant was sought because there was a problem with the Old Covenant, the people were unfaithful. Now we still sin today, so the New Covenant didn't change our acts but rather changed the terms by which we relate to God. Who is 100% faithful to God? No one is. But how then did the New overcome the problem of the Old? because God sees his elect through Jesus. Because we are in Him, in Christ, we are declared justified. He remembers our sins no more. (emphasis mine) </font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>I have a few questions for you based upon your quoted comments above. You say that the New Covenant changed the way in which we relate to God. Does this mean that the people of God during the Old Covenant were saved in a different way than we are? If the superiority of the New Covenant over the Old is justification and forgiveness of sins, how were people during the Old Testament forgiven and justified?<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"] Those in only the outward administration of the New covenant are not saved. They are not elect. </font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Agreed, this is the case Old or New if you're speaking about individual election to glory. Some argue for a concept of corporate election, which I don't find very useful.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"] They are not in a covenantal relationship with God. </font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Well now this is a good topic for discussion and one that I would like to see the church debate, but if someone affirms that those participating in the outward administration of the covenant are legitimately called “covenant members” then this is not heresy. It may be wrong, but it's not heretical.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr>[color:"blue"] [Those in only the outward administration] are not covered by the blood of Jesus.</font><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>Are they sanctified by the blood of Jesus?<br><br>Sincerely in Christ,<br><br>~Jason<br>