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Pilgrim is saying that "whosoever" is NOT in the original text. Therefore he concludes that the gospel does not apply to "whosoever." On that point we agree. Redemption is applied exclusively upon the elect.
My point is that since we don't know who the elect are, we must offer redemption in Christ to "whosoever will," without discrimination, to everyone. Leaving the results to God.
I too recoil when an evangelist says, "God loves you" applying it to everyone. I would prefer to say, "God hates sin and will not spare the guilty!" But that He has redeemed a people for Himself out of Adam's fallen race, having provided a Substitute to receive the terrible justice of God in their stead. These are the ones who put their faith in Christ. They are God's beloved children.
Again as Pilgrim rightly said, the fact of "limited" redemption (particular redemption, I prefer to say) does not preclude "the promiscuous preaching of the gospel."
We're not so far apart on this as it may appear.
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John 3:16: A Gospel Invitation?
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Tom
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Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:48 AM
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