Originally Posted by Hitch
I asked you first.
Yes, and I did respond with my view, albeit in a round about way. Consider also,

Psalms 5:4-6 (ASV) "For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: Evil shall not sojourn with thee. The arrogant shall not stand in thy sight: Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Thou wilt destroy them that speak lies: Jehovah abhorreth the blood-thirsty and deceitful man."

Psalms 7:11 (KJV) "God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry (Heb: properly, to foam at the mouth, i.e. to be enraged:--abhor, abominable, (be) angry, defy, (have) indignation) [with the wicked] every day."

Psalms 11:4-6 (ASV) "Jehovah is in his holy temple; Jehovah, his throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. Jehovah trieth the righteous; But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the wicked he will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind shall be the portion of their cup."

Malachi 1:2-4 (ASV) "I have loved you, saith Jehovah. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother, saith Jehovah: yet I loved Jacob; but Esau I hated, and made his mountains a desolation, and [gave] his heritage to the jackals of the wilderness. Whereas Edom saith, We are beaten down, but we will return and build the waste places; thus saith Jehovah of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and men shall call them The border of wickedness, and The people against whom Jehovah hath indignation for ever."

Proverbs 6:16-19 (KJV) "These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV) "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew [loved] you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Romans 9:6-13 (ASV) "But [it is] not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel: neither, because they are Abraham's seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed. For this is a word of promise, According to this season will I come, and Sarah shall have a son. And not only so; but Rebecca also having conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac-- for [the children] being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

Methinks that the above passages, intentionally quoted in context make it indisputably clear that God does not love everyone. In fact, it isn't that God loves the wicked less but rather there He hates the wicked and promises to destroy them by casting them into Hell where they will endure eternal punishment and torment.

Originally Posted by Hitch
The 'Love the sinner hate the sin' bit comes up every so often and by and large it is the majority position. Especially as it relates to the sodomites.

Currently in far too many Christan circles the PC sect is the majority. And all needs be done is refuse the reprobates chosen terms, 'gay' and you're marked as 'hateful'.
The idea that God loves all isn't anything new. But it is being embraced by more and more recently to be sure, even among so-called Reformed believers in most denominations. What I find most amusing actually, is that there is little warrant to be found in Scripture to suggest that God loves all, more or less, is a plausible teaching. Eisogesis, if even that is employed, is all that one has. Mainly, it is the simple wishes of a mind that is either ignorant of the biblical truth or refuses to acknowledge it that asserts that God loves the sinner but hates the sin. IF that were the case, then wouldn't it be true that at the judgment, God would cast all SIN into hell and save all the SINNERS because He allegedly loves them? The over-whelming use of the word "love" in the context of God's disposition toward man is salvific, redemptive rather than some expression of emotion. Whom God loves... He saves and has decreed to do so from all eternity. (cf. Eph 1:4ff)

Okay... does that clear up any possible doubt where I stand on the matter? evilgrin

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