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This is in response to problems/questions that Pilgrim found in my last post to this subject.
Pilgrim: Is it your opinion that a true Christian has the ability, in this life here on earth, to love God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength and to love his neighbor as [he loves] himself? And, by doing this he will inherit eternal life... according to the words of the Lord Christ in Luke 10:25-28? Wayne: Love comes from God (1 John 4:7 and 1 John 4:19). I believe a true Christian, needs to be empower by the Holy Spirit to love God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength and to love his neighbor as [he loves] himself. In other words, the ability depends on God not on the true Christian. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus may have been acknowledging that this amount of love is a just and right requirement of the Law. In any case, I believe Jesus alone fully met this requirement and His work is the only basis of inheriting eternal life (Heb 9:15).
Pilgrim: The problem I am having with the above remains, despite your sincere effort to explain yourself. Why? Because IF you have sought God and the Holy Spirit has "helped you develop it", and likewise, I have prayerfully sought God's infallible Word for a true understanding of what the Holy Spirit wrote through the instrumentality of holy men of old, but I have come to an understanding that is contrary to yours, what conclusion do you think one must make? Wayne: I look forward to a resolution of the problem you are referring to. Before I can suggest a path forward, I must understand your concern better. I believe you are saying you see a misunderstanding in that summary that I said I believe the Holy Spirit helped me with. Could you be specific in identifying “the misunderstanding” and “scripture that shows it is a misunderstanding”? Here is that summary:
Observations: 1. Love is a one word commandment that fulfills God's Law (Matt 22:37-40 also see Rom 13:8, 10) 2. Love is a motivating force that drives us to act a certain way (Luke 10:39, also see 2 Cor 5:14 & John 15:13) 3. Perfect obedient comes out of perfect Love (John 14:15, 21, 23, 24 also see 1John 2: 5 & 1 John 4:12, 2 John 1:6 4. Obedience is easy and enjoyable when it is motivated by Love. (Matt 11:29-30 also see 1 John 5:3) 5. The divine purpose of Love is to produce Christ-like obedience (see 2 Cor 5:14), which results in us bringing glory to God. (Matt 5:48, Rom 12:2, Phil 3:15, Rom 4:20 also see Matt 5:16)
Applications: 1. The Gospel: Christianity is the only religion that was intended to be totally dependent on Love as a motivating force. (2 Cor 5:14-15). As a result, it is the only religion that can produce perfect obedience, Godliness and Christ likeness. (2 Pet 1:3, 4) 2. Strategy of our enemy: Satan wants Christians to focus on symptoms of disobedience instead of the root cause of disobedience. The symptoms of disobedience are the rules that we continually break. Rules that we know God wants us to follow. As we pour more time into treating the symptoms (this sin over here and that sin over there) we have less time to address the root cause of disobedience which is the condition of our heart. (Matt 23:23-26 & John 5:42) 3. Loving God: We Love Him because he first Loved us (1 John 4:19). Lord, help me to be drawn closer to you as I set aside time to get to know you better and get to know your love for me better. 4. Loving Others: We avoid Love because we know it will lead to sacrifice. Our old man wants to avoid sacrifice. We need faith in order to sacrifice. Lord, help me to have faith to see others as you see them so I can love them more.
Illumination: “Love sets Christianity apart from all other belief systems. Before we can love God (to the degree that he wants) we must understand fully what he has done “in space and time” to demonstrate his love for us. The Bible says God demonstrated his love to us when he sent his only son to die for us. The more we understand his sacrifice and love for us, the more we will love him and love to do his will. This love will take us where man alone could never go!”
Illustration: “Man has designed cars to run on gasoline. God has designed the Christian life to run on Love. Without gasoline, a car can go only as fast as man can push it. Without love, our good deeds are nothing.” (See 1 Cor 13:2)
Transformation: “It does not matter what happens to me. What matters is how I react to the things that happen to me because this is who I am.” (See Proverbs 27:19)
Pilgrim: Love's expression is defined and directed by one knowing and then doing all the preceptive will of God as found in Holy Scripture. Wayne: I believe “the love of Christ” is expressed perfectly and purposefully n 2 Cor 5:14-15: “For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that one died for all, therefore all died; and he died for all, that they that live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who for their sakes died and rose again.” ASV “For the love of Christ controls and urges and impels us, because we are of the opinion and conviction that [if] One died for all, then all died; And He died for all, so that all those who live might live no longer to and for themselves, but to and for Him Who died and was raised again for their sake. AMP
Additional NT expressions of love per the ASV: 1 Cor 16:14 Let all that ye do be done in love. Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love. Gal 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, (even) in this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, self-control; against such there is no law. Eph 3:17-19 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be strong to apprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love of Christ which passeth knowledge, that ye may be filled unto all the fulness of God. Eph 4:15-16 but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, (even) Christ; from whom all the body fitly framed and knit together through that which every joint supplieth, according to the working in (due) measure of each several part, maketh the increase of the body unto the building up of itself in love. Eph 6:23-24 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ with (a love) incorruptible. Col 3:14 and above all these things (put on) love, which is the bond of perfectness. 1 Thess 4:9 But concerning love of the brethren ye have no need that one write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another; 2 Thess 3:3-5 But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and guard you from the evil (one). And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command. And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patience of Christ. 1 Tim 1:5 But the end of the charge is love out of a pure heart and a good conscience and faith unfeigned: 2 Tim 1:7 For god gave us not a spirit of fearfulness; but of power and love and discipline. 2 Tim 1:13 Hold the pattern of sound words which thou hast heard from me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 1 Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth unto unfeigned love of the brethren, love one another from the heart fervently: 1 Peter 4:8 above all things being fervent in your love among yourselves; for love covereth a multitude of sins: 1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not abideth in death. 1 John 3:18, 23 (My) Little children, let us not love in word, neither with the tongue; but in deed and truth. 1 John 4:7-12 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is begotten of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son (to be) the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No man hath beheld God at any time: if we love one another, God abideth in us, and his love is perfected in us: 1 John 4:16-5:3 And we know and have believed the love which God hath in us. God is love; and he that abideth in love abideth in God, and God abideth in him. Herein is love made perfect with us, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as he is, even so are we in this world. There is no fear in love: but perfect love casteth out fear, because fear hath punishment; and he that feareth is not made perfect in love. We love, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen. And this commandment have we from him, that he who loveth God love his brother also. Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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