Originally Posted by Cranmer
The whole time salvation thing is an innovation. The old line Primitive Baptists rejected that view. In fact, it is really something in line with the Paul Washer, John MacArthur, John Piper thing about Lordship salvation and "final vindication" by good works.
Can you supply some direct links to information which would show that any or all of the above 3 mentioned men reject a "once for all declaration that the sinner is not guilty; justified at the moment faith is expressed in Christ"? Or, coming from the other side, that they hold to a progressive justification which is determined by faith + works and declared at the final judgment?

This view is predominantly held by those adhering to NPP, Federal Vision, Shepherdism, and others e.g., Richard Gaffin, John O. Kinnaird, &co. But I have never heard, until now, that John MacArthur or Paul Washer embraced or taught this view. John Piper is suspect due to what he wrote in his book Future Grace. So, any references you are able to supply would be much appreciated. grin


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