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That is my understanding also. They are in agreement, to a large degree, that Adam's guilt was imputed to the human race, although modern Arminians, aka: semi-Pelagians, who are far less Arminian as many suppose, deny that this original and imputed guilt is sufficient in and of itself to condemn a man to hell. The modern view is that what condemns a man is his refusal to "accept Christ".

The fallacy of the Wesleyan position, as you well know, is that it fails to acknowledge the economic relationship between a man's affections, intellect and will; making the will an autonomous element which is able to act on its own contrary to the other two. However, when this idea is pressed, it becomes painfully clear that it would prove far more devastating to them than the doctrine they wish to deny. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" />

In His Grace,

Pilgrim

I am going to take your suggestion of using Google.

However, the quote in point six would indicate that not only he believed in 'original sin' in the same manner of Calvinists like Whitefield believed. But Arminians believe in original sin in the same manner also.

Here is the quote again:
"With regard to the two first of these charges, they plead, Not Guilty. They are entirely false. No man that ever lived, not John Calvin himself, ever asserted either original sin, or justification by faith, in more strong, more clear and express terms, than Arminius has done. These two points, therefore, are to be set out of the question: In these both parties agree. In this respect, there is not a hair's breadth difference between Mr. Wesley and Mr. Whitefield."

Many Arminians I know today say they believe in Total Depravity, but also qualify it by saying that God does make it possible for everyone to come to Christ, but of course they don't believe this is irresistible.

This of course is where I disagree with them, John 6:37-... is enough to disprove that notion.

Tom

Tom,

Wesley's view on Original Sin gets no clearer than this sermon. Its name is Original Sin.