The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum Noahide Laws and the Christian

Dear friends in Christ,

I am a Christian believer and want to share with you information that I pray you will be inspired in Truth to find out more about. The subject… the 7 Noahide Laws, their anti-Christian nature and the controversy they are and I believe will be creating.

If you haven’t heard of them before, I would not be surprised, as I have heard nothing within the mainstream media, churches etc. This is why I am posting this here. The 7 Noahide Laws are a set of Judaic Laws, which according to the Talmud (not the Torah) were handed down to Noah for the Gentile nations. According to these laws, belief in Jesus is considered as idolatry and is forbidden. The 7th Law requires the establishment of courts to interpret and administer these laws, etc.

As much as I sincerely doubt the average Christian or American has heard of these, a sad oddity remains. In March of 1991, Congress passed a Law HR102-14 establishing “Education Day” in honor of Rabbi Schneerson; acknowledging ‘Our Values’ to be the 7 Noahide Laws and stating that necessary preoccupation of educating future generations of these values is needed.

At this point, if you were to do an Internet search on “Noahide Laws” you will find a massive number of websites… Christians exposing material related to them, as well as Jewish-Noahide sites. I believe you will mostly only find the topic on the internet, because at this time… the internet still is a haven for free speech.

The more that I have learned about this movement, the politics, etc… the more I recognize the Noahide political and spiritual agenda to be the real-deal, being the final enemy of the saints of Jesus Christ. I pray that as many who read this will learn about what is taking place and share the information speedily.

In Jesus’ Mighty Name,
Kathy

(Fred) The "final enemy of the saints?" Really? Even more so that Islam? If nothing fulfills the picture of the beast and false prophet from Revelation more than Islam and Mohammed, then I don't know what it would be. I would be more genuinely concerned with Islam than some obscure cult.

Fred

Having many Chabad Lubavitcher friends, this is no threat to Christianity. The Chabad folks are typically the ones "behind" the 7 Noahide Laws (which have been around much longer than Christianity).
Incidentally, they teach that Gentiles who follow the 7 Laws have a place in the World to Come. Thus they are NOT trying to convert people to Judaism, nor away from Christianity! The Rebbe ("Blessed be he, the Lubavitchers would state) stated such in the 20th Century, and the previous Lubavitcher Rebbes spoke in similar terms. So no, this is not of concern to Christians.
There are fringe people out there, such as John Stone who are very anti-Christian. But John Stone is not Jewish, nor does he claim to be (although he sure wants to be!).

To provide the general "The Highway" reader with a bit of background, I have attached the following:
(One note: Jews always use 'G-d' to refer to God, as they view it improper to speak or reference the Almighty's name.)

The Seven Universal Laws
G-d gave Noah and all his descendants (B'nei Noach or "children of Noah") seven commandments that we are to obey. These Seven Universal Laws (also known as the "Seven Noahide Laws") were reaffirmed with Moses and the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai, so that modern observance of these laws is done according to the specifics provided in the Oral Torah (the revelation at Sinai). These Seven Commandments (mitzvos) are not arbitrary laws, but rather G-d's plan for mankind. (To the Jewish people G-d gave the entire Torah [teaching] as their Law. They therefore have a special responsibility—with special commandments—to be the priesthood of the world, a "light unto the nations.")

Non-Jews who (1) reject all idolatrous ideas and accept the kingship of the One G-d, (2) accept the priesthood of the Jewish people as the guardians and teachers of Torah, and (3) commit to following the Seven Universal Laws as revealed in the Oral Torah revealed at Mt. Sinai are often called "Hasidic gentiles" or "Noahides." The term "Hasidic gentile" is derived from a classic commentary by the Rambam, Rav Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonides), in The Laws of Kings 8:11: "Anyone who accepts upon himself the fulfillment of these Seven Mitzvos [commandments] and is precise in their observance is considered one of the hasidei umos ha'olam ["Hasidim of the nations of the world"]—the righteous among the nations—and will merit a share in the World to Come."

The Seven Universal Laws, also known as the Seven Noahide Laws, are the minimal observance for non-Jews. The source of these laws and the basis of their understanding is the Oral Torah, which G-d gave to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai along with His Written Law. Hasidic gentiles ("Noahides") are also expected to perform additional mitzvos, such as giving to charity, praying regularly, and studying Torah. By learning from the Jews and performing the mitzvos (commandments, laws, or good deeds), non-Jews have a crucial role in repairing and developing G-d's Creation.

The Seven Universal Laws are the following:

1.Prohibition of idolatry

2.Prohibition of blasphemy

3.Prohibition of murder

4.Prohibition of theft

5.Prohibition of illicit relations

6.Prohibition of eating live meat

7.Prohibition of failing to establish courts of justice

The Seven Universal Laws actually encompass numerous details and applications that are not explained here (by one opinion, 66 laws, but even these are only a very basic guide). One should also keep in mind that these laws are only the minimal basis for a Hasidic gentile's service to G-d, since there are many Jewish mitzvos that non-Jews are encouraged to adopt to accomplish more, thereby refining oneself and the rest of Creation.

***I’m confused by the Quote Function on this Board***li0scc0 said :

Incidentally, THEY TEACH THAT GENTILES WHO FOLLOW THE 7 LAWS HAVE A PLACE IN THE WORLD TO COME. Thus they are NOT trying to convert people to Judaism, nor away from Christianity! The Rebbe ("Blessed be he, the Lubavitchers would state) stated such in the 20th Century, and the previous Lubavitcher Rebbes spoke in similar terms. So no, this is not of concern to Christians.

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My Reply:
This is Most DEFINITLEY a concern to Christians. Only the Gentiles who follow the 7 Laws have a place in the World to Come. This is an unprovocative and unbloody way to say it. Christians who are considered “idolators” by these Laws, because they believe in Jesus, will NOT have a place in the World to Come. Isn’t this a Christian forum? I will say it here… Jesus… “Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord”

Kathy

Hi, Kathy. Welcome to the board. I pray that you find Godly edification here.

Please help me to understand what you are saying.

When I read your post(s) I think to myself, "Just because people in this fallen world (such as the folks you describe) are teaching non-Biblical truths that does NOT make them any less un-Biblical than they already are. Why is this any more concern to a Bible-believing, Christ-depending Christian than any other cult (such as the Mormons, Jehovah Witness, etc.)?"

Seeking to understand,
Ted

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In His Grace,

Fred,

Yes. The final enemy of the saints. Now in this the age of information, All who profess ‘Jesus is Lord’, interested in knowing the Truth can discover and re-read why Jesus said “Beware the leaven of the Pharisees.” Then examine and re-examine our semantics, and how important words are, such as ‘Judeo-Christian’ as well as our political and cultural language. Political correctness, Religious Right, as well as Christian Zionism. How we have all come to accept that it is good to fight wars when God is on your side.

The most powerful nation on earth… the United States of America will soon be teaching us how to be a part of the World to Come, not a small thing at all… just because it is likely that most of the readers in this group are not familiar with the Lubavitch movement does not mean that they should be uninformed… (Don’t be) of what happened… how a free country is stolen in the name of freedom… and the ideological, spiritual and political agendas that transpired, and are transpiring this very day. It is true that many things happened obscurely.

In Jerusalem… In October of last year, the Sanhedrin was re-established… A first in 1,600 years. Very soon the “Moschiach” will be revealed… because… the Sanhedrin says so… THEY will reveal him. “The Redemption draweth nigh.” And… to the Gentiles… those of you who follow the Laws of Noah will have a place in the World to Come… that being, the future. Those of you who do not… Do NOT, And WILL NOT have a place in “The World to Come... by your choice” and will be beheaded. This is the Truth. The Talmudic punishment for transgression of the Noahide Laws is death by decapitation. Read, Learn and Find Out for yourselves. (Please) And to all those who Love the Truth. Jesus is His Name! And Stand Firm, and Do and Will Have a Place in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Kathy

I am not as inclined to believe these Noahide folks pose a real threat to genuine Christianity. I would say Rick Warren is a bigger threat to biblical Christianity than some obscure Jewish sect. Most certainly the head hunters from the religion of Islam.

Fred

Ted,

To answer your question as to why the Lubavitch movement and the 7 Noahide Laws are of any more concern to any other un-Christian movement, I tried to cover in my response to Fred.

Also, my previous comment about whether of not this is a Christian forum... well it is rhetorical. It was in contrast to li0scc0's reference to the Lubavitch quote... "the Rebbe... Blessed be he" - - Knowing that this Lubavitch statement is Blessing the G-d of the Talmud, not the Old Testament, and a tradition that despises Jesus, and calls him a false God and a liar. A tradition that will murder the saints. And this is whay I also said "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord"

Kathy

Fred,

I tell you what. I promise to look up Rick Warren... and why you make this statement. But I find it harder to believe that Rick, all by himself, is going to set up a One World Government. And I am wondering how he is going to gain control of the Temple mount. But I do promise I will check him out. I'll say this again. Our American values are the 7 Noahide Laws... Congress says so.

Kathy

You wouldn't happen to be a Dispensationalist, would you?

Tom

Hello Kathy. Welcome to the Highway. I think you are claiming that some Biblical prophecy is being fulfilled by these events? If so, could you provide some scriptural references? Thanks.


God bless,

william

You wouldn't happen to be a dispensationalist, would you?

LOL! I posted mine before I read yours...

Kathy, I used to believe in dispensationalism: that God has a different plan for the Jews than for the Gentiles, that the Church would be raptured before a 7 -year tribulation, that the old Temple sacrificial system would be reinstated, that the saints would reign on the earth for a literal 1,000 years, etc. But I examined my tradition in light of Scripture, and I found my beliefs wanting. You may want to read some of these articles:

Eschatology: the End of the World by O. Palmer Robertson

Eschatology: the Rapture by O. Palmer Robertson

Eschatology: the Millennium by O. Palmer Robertson

Eschatology: the Future of the Jews by O. Palmer Robertson

Notes on Eschatology by Sam Waldron (I also found his book The End Times Made Simple extremely helpful)