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I'm disappointed with the chart too. By all means please find a better one!!! I am well aware of the denominational and doctrinal distinctions that exist within many evangelical families of faith (e.g., ELCA & LCMS; PCUSA & PCA & OPC, SBC & CBF, etc.), but our friend here seemed to be unfamiliar with even the most basic distinctions. As my earlier post indicates, I felt such a chart might be a point of departure for making finer and deeper distinctions, although I recommended Ron Rhodes' book without similar qualifications.

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I thought the dead bodies in the sanctuary was more of a Greek Orthodox thing
I didn't ask them what kind it was. All they spoke was Italian (Sicily--can't remember the name of the town but apparently he was a dead Cardinal that stopped a lava flow from Mt. Aetna. Whoopee.)

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but the real issue with Roman Catholicism (and the Orthodox churches too) is their denial of justification by faith alone and their denial of Scripture alone as the infallible rule of faith and practice.

Exactly. Peter's dead, move on.

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Which Reformed Baptists are making that claim? Are you confusing Reformed Baptists with the Landmarkists?

These guys: http://www.reformedreader.org/rbl.htm

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What really should be your question is this: "Was Luther a stalwart defender of the Gospel, or was he a fool at best and a heretic at worst?" Luther's stand impresses me first and foremost because he loved the Gospel and was willing to defend it at all costs. I only mention this because your reaction against the Catholic church wasn't with reference to the Gospel.

I guess that depends on whether you think it was a Schism or a Refomation. I'm going with Reformation. I used to work at a Catholic hospital that employed heathen Baptist's like me because they couldn't get enough good Catholics to do the job I was doing. Every year they'd drag us all down to meetings about how it'd be better for the organization if we were all Catholics. Here I've been wanting to use this: <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/puke.gif" alt="" />

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Well, actually, most would not categorize the majority of Baptists today as Calvinists (though the further back in history you go the more Calvinist Baptists you see). Some have said that all Baptists are "one-point Calvinists" (eternal security, which is actually only one part of perseverance of the saints). But what is a one-point Calvinist except a four-point Arminian?
Sadly this is pretty well true. I think its mostly a vocabulary issue though. I've read a little bit on Calvinism since this morning and found that I agree more with Calvin than the Arminian viewpoint.

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Are you a new to theology? I kind of get that impression.
Nope just out of practice. Most of the people I used to talk with were Baptist Preachers of varying degrees of education. Most were like Paul (1 Cor 2:2 (NIV) 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.) and content to leave it that way which, subsequently, left me to fend for myself with regards to theological issues. (Upon being issued a volume of the Broadman and Holman Commentary for a class I was taking I physically threw the thing in the trash. It was garbage through and through.) I have Spurgeon and Packer and some others but the few I discussed Bonhoeffer with didn't even bat an eye. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

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