The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Feminism

Brad Hammond posted the topic and poll "Which Heresy is the Most Dangerous". This topic is similar but includes our secular world. Of course, all heresies work their way into our lives and culture in dangerous ways but I need to throw in the heresy that I believe to be a philosophical nightmare and most wicked deception yet devised by men on this planet.

It is estimated that the Communist agenda has directly or indirectly resulted in the deaths of about 125 million persons. Hitler and the Nazis caused the death of about 40 million.

Both of these philosophical systems from hell, however, do not hold a candle to the undeniable evil that is the end fruit of the feminists whine and vine. I have based my belief about the feminist evil by simply counting the dead bodies of children. These numbers do not include the cultural disaster brought on by Feminism as regards to divorce, disfunctional families, illegitimacy and discord between the sexes.

In this country alone, since Roe vs Wade, some 50 to 60 million unborn (sometimes half-born) infants have been murdered. This is at about the rate of 4000 per day. In one month alone, this slaughter exceeds the total American deaths in WWI. (Consider the rage of most Americans about the 3000 Twin Towers victims) Worldwide, and since WWII, the number is probably near ONE BILLION.

All of this because the feminists have decided that a career and their hope for a Mercedes Benz is worth their sacrifice to Moloch's fire.

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

I agree with you that feminism is a great evil.
I will say however, that I believe feminism is a product of male chauvinism (although not completely).
Through out history, women have been treated like inferiors.
In Canada women were not even considered persons in the eyes of the law until around 1949 (not sure on that date). Not sure if this is the case in the US.
Men and women were created equal, but with different roles to play in the home and the Church. These roles don’t in any way make women any less than man, but to some men it is evident that they believe they are better.
Of course the consequences of men and women not fulfilling their roles as God intended and treating each other with respect has been devastating, as you rightly pointed out.

Tom

I'm with Tom here and I'll go a step or two further:

Macho American men treating their wives as baby machines who cook supper, do the wash and tend to any other of his needs as he sees fit ARE to blame. Not only has it led to the horror of abortion--which I had never considered but agree with as well, it has led to the insidious practice of women in the pulpit.

Now lets not have anyone twist off here, please, because there are places for everyone to minister in the church. But the idea that everyone is the same, male or female and exactly the same has continued to blur the boundries God has set for each gender. Whats worse, kids are soaked in this day by day from the media and it school--even in the church. Finally this blurring has led another horrifying step down the wide road. If women are just as good as men, even preaching the gospel in the pulpit, why does sexual orientation have anything to do with it at all? A continued rationalization has led certain churches to embrace the heresy of homosexual ministers.

Homosexuality seems to be a hotbutton issue these days, but I think all this is interconnected.

Tom,

Are you saying that there is no such thing as female chauvinism? The tools used by women in their "war" may not be as obvious as those of men but are every bit as brutal.

chauvinism: "unreasoning devotion to ones race, sex etc., with contempt for other races or the opposite sex, etc."

The topic is feminism and its current aftermath, not the sometimes brutal treatment of women by men currently and in the past. That is another subject for another thread.

Nearly all of the founders and proponents of modern Feminism are FEMALE. I believe we should not let them off the hook by giving justification and approval for their evil. Does the Holy Scripture not say "Be ye angry but sin not"?

Being equal means being equal under the law as the American constitution defines it. It is not being equal under the law when women are treated differently than men for the same crime. Feminist women (and men) are murdering their own children because of territory, convenience and fear of economic sanction. Please tell me a single difference between this and the drugged gang member who murders others for the very same reasons. The only difference I see is the degree of innocence of the victim.

We are not going to get at the root of this "devastation" by not putting blame for uncompromised evil where it rightfully belongs or excusing murderous sin.

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

doulos,

Macho American men are the cause of abortion because they believe it is appropriate that their wives should cook supper sometimes??

Do you not know that the majority of abortions are by unmarried women due to fornication, and these being women who don't even know how to cook?

I'm sorry doulos, but I simply cannot follow your logic here.

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Is it a product of or is it an excuse for feminism? IMO these is a immense difference here. While there are many excuses for Feminism, in reality Feminism exists as a religion apart from Scripture because of mankind's total depravity. Feminism has lead many astray into search for "the Divine femininity" or the female Christ. They ask such questions as "How can the Son of God be a Saviour and representative of God's sons and daughters--He is only a male? How does Jesus "maleness" relate to the other half of humankind?" Rita Nashima Brock in The Feminist Redemption of God states, "The doctrine that only a perfect male form can incarnate God fully and be salvific makes our individual lives in female bodies a prison against God and denies our actual, sensual, changing selves as the locus of divine activity." This blasphemy is from the depths of depravity and not a mere male chauvinism! Male chauvinism is horrible, yes, but depravity is much worse (Gen 3), as it too is a result of man;s depravity.

Though I sympathize with what women have endured (and they have endured much and the Gospels are full of ministry in this area) the rise of feminism is evil, divisive, and manipulative. It is the product of our depravity and nothing less. Feminism, as other occults, exist because many have refused to submit to the authority of Scripture. If they merely understood the tenants of Federal headship in Adam and Christ (Rom 5:12-21) their questions would not even be raised. Of course, salvation is a prerequisite, thus ...

doulos

I think I should have stated what I did a little differently.
I believe both male chauvinism and feminism are both products of depravity. Although I believe male chauvinism feeds feminism, it never the less is the depravity of the person which creates sin.
Take for instance, if I see a 10 year old boy beat up my 6 year old girl, but I react by punching the 10 year old boy. Was my reaction justified? Of course not!
In the same way, when a male chauvinist is showing his depravity to a female, she is not justified by reacting in a sinful manner.

So with that in mind, what I was trying to say is that one particular sin (in the case male chauvinism) is displayed, many women and men, react in a sinful manner, thus displaying their own depravity.
The sin of male chauvinism should not be looked on as an excuse for reacting back in a sinful manner. But at the same time, even the best of us at times react in a sinful manner when we are being wronged.
This is true of Christians; it is even truer with non-Christians.

Tom

Adopted

Although I believe doulos is overreacting. I think (correct me if I am wrong doulas), his point was not that there isn't other causes for things like abortion, but macho men of that description have led to the sin of abortion.
It is not a question of which is the greatest cause of sinful reaction.
Sin can beget a sinful reaction, though a sinful reaction is not justified. As Scripture says "Be angry and sin not:.." Eph. 4:26

Tom

Joe

I am in 100% agreement with you and I am afraid I didn't communicate that very well.
Please see my reply to doulas.

Tom

Adopted

As I said to Joe, please see my reply to doulas.

Tom

Feminism is caused for the same reason that Eve took a bit of that fruit from the tree.

J Edwards
Again you have dazzled me by dividing the issue rightly. And while I was reading through that post Genesis 3:16 was going though my head "To the woman he said, “I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”(NIV) Of course Women have had suffering. Why do you suppose that is?


Adopted

No. What I am saying is that men who DEMAND that supper be cooked each night come hell or high water and think that all women should keep house like June Cleaver or Harriet from that other TV show, look like Barbie dolls all the time and tend to their every whim as if they were a genie from a bottle are mostly to blame for women being interested in feminism. This plus the centuries of near-slavery and being treated like property that spawned the sufferage movement, etc. You obviously know the history--think about it.

I think it is an abomination for women to flatly dismiss about 50% of the population (men) as unnecessary evils. But you can't really blame them for thinking that way. Not that it isn't wrong, not that its not a sin but "The Bible says..." only goes so far when your husband isn't holding up his end of the bargain. Works both ways, I'm sure, but more often than not its the man, for example, that doesn't care whether or not the house looks like a war zone then says something like, "Honey, what can I do to help you get this place cleaned up? As if two or more people don't live there.

Moving right along...yes, I agree with you on the abortion thing. Its the most vile, selfish, unspeakable sort of evil to invade the womb and kill an unwanted child because its inconvenient. Those who are pro-choice should move the choice back a bit to whether or not she--or he for that matter--chooses to have sex. Take two asprin and hold them between your knees and you'll be just fine.

Tom I probably was overreacting. What folks are throwing away is almost as horrifying as what they're keeping.

This is THE fundamental reason for this so-called "feminism" that is being discussed here in all its forms. It was Eve who first sinned; not Adam, although the ruin of the human race was effected by Adam's sin, he being the Federal Head of the human race. It was Eve's rejection of her husband's authority and ultimately transgressing the commandment of God given to her by Adam to not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It was Eve's desire for autonomy that resulted in her disobedience and eventual persuading of Adam to sin with her.

This desire for autonomy, which is at the very root of "feminism", was exacerbated by God Himself as part of the punishment for it.

Genesis 3:16b (ASV) ". . . and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

Eve sought independence from her "head", yet the punishment put on her and all women was that she would have an increased desire for him (man) than that which was originally designed. Thus, that which she sought; independence, resulted in a further dependence which often leads to increased sin. We see this behaviour in many women's efforts to dress and act in such a way in order to get men to notice and even desire them. Ironically, this type of behaviour results in that which the feminists seek to avoid. The second part of the punishment exacts the very opposite which Eve initially did; i.e., she sought to control Adam by becoming independent and even leading him into temptation. (cf. 2Tim 2:14). But now, the man is going to "rule" over her. He is going to "control" her; the one she sought to control. And due to the depravity of the soul, men have taken this rule to extremes and treated women with disdain and harshness, furthering the punishment given, albeit in a sinful manner.

Thus, feminism is nothing more than the exploitation of men; women seeking to emulate the sin of Eve by dominating men and leading them into all manner of temptation. Men are not to blame for the "femi-Nazi" movement. Women have no one but themselves to blame for the woes that beset them. But in Christ, this basic sinful behaviour can be overcome, D.v. and a woman can live in relative harmony with a man, being submissive to the one whom God has created as her head. The biblical teaching is that women are to be "functionally subordinate". Men and women are created equal in many ways, but the roles for which they were created demand that men are to be the head and are thus responsible for many things, which today's women take for themselves.

In His Grace,

This brings up an interesting question. Does that mean that sin entered the world before Adam sinned? And, also, did Eve fall in Adam, or did the imputation of Adam's sin only start with thier children? Then again, Adam was Eve's federal head anyway.

I imagine feminists would complain because Eve was the first to sin and yet Adam gets most of the recognition. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/giggle.gif" alt="" />

Sin entered the world when Satan tried to usurp God's sovereign authority. But as to humans, yes, Eve was the first to sin. But her transgression did not have any direct effect on anyone but herself, in that she was not the Federal Head; Adam was and it was through him that the entire race was thrust into ruin.

Eve fell on her own, yet she also shared in Original Sin, which was God's punishment for Adam's transgression. I certainly am not going to be dogmatic about the relationship you are asking about. But one thing I am certain of, Eve was guilty of sin and suffered the loss of original righteousness (depravity) no differently than any other human being.

In His Grace,