The Highway Forums General Discussion Open Forum Feminism

bygraceiamsaved,

This is exactly the point I am trying to get make.

Although modern day Feminism is the ugliest variety yet conceived (no pun intended) it is really nothing new. I am ashamed of some of my Christian sisters and brothers who, after listening to the last 40 years of feminist propaganda, have fallen without the slightest regard for Scripture, for their doctrine of demons.

Feminism is indeed nothing new, just ask Samson who married the unbelieving Philistine woman, Delilah.

"And it came to pass when she pestered him daily with her words and pressed him so that his soul was vexed to death. Then she lulled him to sleep on her knees and called for a man and had him shave the seven locks of his head. Then she began to torment him, and his strength left him. (Judges 16:16,19)

Or ask Job, whose wife was not much better:

"Then said his wife unto him, 'Do you still retain your integrity? Curse God and die'". (Job 2:9)

I believe that Solomon nailed the spirit of feminism with the following words from Proverbs 6:16-19.

"There are six things that the Lord hates, Yes seven which are a abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, a false witness that utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

I'm going to have to stick up for Ms. Job here as she had lost just as much as her husband at the point of her comment "Curse God and die." I don't know too many girls now days that'd stick around through all that.

I don't believe I've ever heard it called a cult before...feminism I mean. In light of what I've read here it seems that it must be.

OK that got a much needed belly laugh. Thanks.

Gen 3:6,7 (NIV)

6When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Looks to me like Adam was standing right there with her while the snake was talking to her. I get the impression that Adam's sin--the first one--wasn't eating the fruit it was NOT whacking the Serpent with a stick. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bash.gif" alt="" />

I never really thought about the idea that feminism was the exploitation of men. It puts a whole new spin on it Pilgrim.

Well said Pilgrim and I agree 100%.

I was a teenager in the mid seventies and in my twenties in the mid eighties when Gloria Steinem and women's liberation were at its height. They said we could have it all and didn't need a man, not even to raise our children.

Well thirty years later and in Oklahoma the divorce rate is the highest in the nation, we also lead the country in the highest unwed mothers and I could go on......funny how even Gloria Steinam is married now and a lot more mellowed out. She seems to not be spouting the rehtoric that she was before...why do you think that is? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/idea.gif" alt="" />

Gloria Steinam does not need to be "mellowed out", she needs to repent and publicly recant. This reminds me of a line from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar:

"The evil that men do oft lives after them"

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Perhaps you should put her on your prayer list and see what happens. I have rarely seen anyone repent after a good railing, browbeating or diatribe. However, I have seen many repent in the face of silent prayer from the church.

Odd how the perspective when looking up at someone while on your knees is different from when your looking down your nose at them.

Yes ma'am and if there ever was a place where you could see the effects of high divorce its Oklahoma. And this being "The Buckle of the Bible Belt". Its just insane.

I can't even count the number of kids I've known or talked to who've had one or more parents missing from their lives. A number of them in prison or dead but most divorced--and just not taking time to be involved.

Doulos,

Well said, however it is not me looking "down my nose" but Ms. Steinam looking down her nose at half of mankind and the Word of God.

I have a sister who has rejected her own fathers name, calls herself a witch and campaigns for "Pro Choice". Take a guess who her favorite author is? And guess again who it is, that is in my prayers?

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Please note that I am in no way sticking up for anything that Ms. Steinam(sp?) has done, said, or written. Frankly, I'm not that familiar with her history other than hearsay and that she was fond of burning bras in the 60's.

The reason I posted what I did in the tone that I did is because you seem to be a little bitter. Perhaps a lot. Perhaps not without reason. But you're justifying your posts in the same way you were ranting about others doing up-thread, I.e., giving feminists any reason for what they do. I've known lots of folks who are gay or lesbian or feminists--pick an extreme--and most of them were ostracized by some one who was close to them for their beliefs. I am a Christian and my mother barely speaks to me because of it. About all I can do is try to lovingly explain to her again (and again, ad nauseaum) why. Should I go beat the crap out of the preachers that have hurt her in the past? 'Course not.

In short I am deeply sorry to hear about your sister but rarely is there a story of pain with one side. I knew a gay man whose father--a minister--had completely turned his back on him. There were no open doors. There was no hope for reconciliation. He had simply ceased to exist. Whose fault? Who knows, but his Dad was not without guilt.

I'm not saying I expect you to take Ms. Steinam aside and graciously share the gospel with her, but something motivates women to join this sort of movement. Is it their degenerate nature? Probably as its the source of all the trouble we seem to make up for ourselves. What about all the good churchwomen that subscribe to the same notions or variations of the theme? Is their stance on Womens rights and their NOW membership going to send them to hell? These are not questions I can answer.

That said, yeah ol' Gloria probably could benefit from getting dragged outside the city gate and enjoying a good stoning but thats illegal and prayer works better anyway.

doulos,

The above statements piqued my interest, obviously enough to respond to them. I'm curious how you think Christians should act toward those who are living in gross sin and/or espousing views which are diametrically opposed to biblical Christianity. What comes to mind is Paul's injunctions:

Romans 16:17-18 (ASV) "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and fair speech they beguile the hearts of the innocent."

2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 (ASV) "And if any man obeyeth not our word by this epistle, note that man, that ye have no company with him, to the end that he may be ashamed. And [yet] count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother."

Now, I grant you that these words of Paul could be construed as being limited to that which takes place within the confines of the Church. But I do think they are applicable to those outside the Church as well. In the Thessalonian passage, Paul says that we are to "have no company with him"; company being the Greek word, sunanamignumi, i.e., to associate with.

Would you be so kind to offer your comments on my question(s) and to share your understanding what is mean to not "associate" with such people?

In His Grace,

doulos,

Sinner I am, and sometimes hot tempered. The thread was an attempt to cause Christian people to think deeply about the evil of feminism and its philosophical hold even among some of my brothers and sisters in Christ. It was not meant to bring judgment concerning my prayer life and belief that Feminism should be confronted openly and publicly by faithful Christians for the evil that it is. Have you considered that your "concern" for my "judgmental attitude" is also a judgment on your part?

So, I've said what I believe needs to be said and do not believe I need to continue to defend or justify my thoughts and will let the words of Martin Luther speak for me.

"Cursed be the love and cursed be the unity that takes the Word of God to the stake."

Denny

Roms 3:22-24

Denny opened this thread by comparing the dead body counts of feminism to those of Nazism and communism; but, while I agree with his observation that feminism is "a philosophical nightmare" and one of the "most wicked deceptions yet devised by men [sic.]," I do not think we can lay the blame for all of those dead babies at the feet of Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan in the same way that we rightfully can in the case of Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, etc. I think Darwinism, naturalism, and materialistic hedonism, much of it male-driven, has had at least as much to do with the number of babies murdered in their mothers' wombs here in North America and around the world as feminism.

There is undoubtedly a great deal of synergy and overlap between these ideologies, and all of them are diametrically opposed to a biblical worldview; but abortion is the bitter fruit of all of these (and more) and not merely feminism alone. Nevertheless, if one wishes to look at primary factors or influences contributing to dysfunctional families, divorce, illegitimacy, and abortion, feminism definitely belongs in the top three or four.

I agree with Pilgrim, President Edwards, and the rest who deny that male chauvinism "causes," is "a product of," or explains the rise of feminism, though I think I can agree with Tom's final formulation that it "feeds feminism," and with Doulos's claim that it is "mostly to blame for women being interested in feminism." While the soil in which feminism grows and flourishes is, as Rev. Edwards rightly observes, the sinful depravity and lusts of the human heart, male chauvinism and misogyny are powerful fertilizers without which it is doubtful that the fields would produce such a bountiful harvest.

While the topic of this thread is feminism and not male chauvinism, we have been focusing on the effects of feminism upon women; but there are many dangerous effects of feminism upon men as well. What most men chiefly desire from their wives is respect, and feminism not only denies this but in the process helps turn out men who are not worthy of respect --- men who have no sense of protective responsibility, sacrificial love, grace or chivalry. Feminism is not the "cause" of this, but it "feeds" men's sinful desire to abandon their God-given roles and responsibilities, which are quite demanding to say the least.

My wife and I lived in an "egalitarian marriage" (the "ideal" of non-radical feminism) for a number of years (this is before we were Christians) and both of us suffered enormous emotional and spiritual pain and damage as a result. We have also had a very hard time recovering and embracing our God-given roles because of so many years imbibing the cultural values of feminism, which are now part of the very air we breathe (at least for my generation). At any rate, if anyone else out there is having similar problems, I highly recommend a book by William Hendricks and Robert Lewis called Rocking the Roles <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" />. While it ain't scholarly, it is very practically oriented and helpful to recovering feminists and those who are just beginning to rediscover God's design for marriage.



Vicit Agnus Noster,

Brad Hammond

Doulos mentioned June Cleaver and Harriet "from that other TV show," but the reaction to those stereotypes has taken us to the opposite extreme: from "Father Knows Best" to father is always the biggest idiot in the house <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />, even dumber than the family pet <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/moron.gif" alt="" />. And for the women of course there's the newest hit "Desperate Housewives," where suburban women shop, whine, fornicate, shop, whine, and commit adultery with underage boys --- we've come a long way baby! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" />

Brad

How true, I don't think I could add anything to that.

Tom