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J_Edwards #32810 Sun May 28, 2006 6:59 AM
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I'm afraid I don't know how Dr. Gentry's position on staff at Whitefield "squares" with Dr. Talbot's assurances to me that the school does not suppport theonomy/reconstructionism. But the president of the seminary took the time to directly answer my questions about it when the issue was raised here. I really doubt that very many seminary presidents would take the time to answer specific questions as thoroughly as Dr. Talbot did.

Here is a partial quote from his e-mail to me (emphasis mine):

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First, we promote the Westminster Confession of Faith of 1647 and the Larger and Shorter Catechisms. The Confession on the law states that the Law is divided into three common distinctions: Moral, Civil, (which was the application of the Ten Commandments into Israel's society, that civil code has passed with the nation of Israel as a theocratic nation, however, it continues to demonstrate to us how the Moral Law is to be applied in any nation and society, at least the general equity principles that were derived from the Moral as the fundamental foundation to the Civil); and Ceremonial (fulfilled in Christ). Dr. R. J. Rushdoony and Dr. Greg Bahnsen both held that the law was two fold, not three as the Westminster Divines taught in the Westminster Confession. They believe that the Moral and Civil Laws were still binding in 'exhaustive detail'. Clearly they were mistaken and later Dr. Bahnsen began to alter his own writings to conform with the Westmi!
nster Confession, but did he arrive there or not is still unknown since he has passed from this life. These men were very gifted writers and offered great insight to many issues. Plus, no know can write about the issues of Christian ethics without dealing with their positions.

The accusation that we are reconstructionist is false. It has been stated for some years because Dr. Rushdoony was a friend, even though we disagreed on various issues, it is guilt by association. I have no ill feelings towards the individuals who make these claims, but their statements are misleading on theonomy and reconstructionism.

Your servant in Christ,

Dr. Kenneth Talbot

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IMO it is more than just an association with Dr. R. J. Rushdoony and Dr. Greg Bahnsen that "these rumors" exist. While I do like Whitefield and I am sure Dr. Talbot is speaking what Whitefield aspires to be recognized as, Dr. Gentry has definite beliefs in favor of "theonomy." KennethGentry.com states,

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Kenneth Gentry offers "serious studies for serious Christians" in postmillennialism, preterism, theonomic ethics, six-day creation, presuppositional apologetics, predestination, reformed theology, lordship salvation, infant baptism, Presbyterianism, the Christian worldview, Christian education, the Christian and alcoholic beverages, and more. We have produced in-depth materials critiquing and rebutting dispensationalism, hyperpreterism, the framework hypothesis, paedocommunion, exclusive psalmody, charismatic phenomena, annihilationism, and other popular views.
Gentry has writtten books, Covenantal Theonomy, Theonomy & Confession, etc in regards to theonomy and is fairly well known in this area. Gentry though "on-staff" with Whitefield has beliefs that appear not to be in agreement with Talbot's statement.

codeman what you are witnessing here is that there is no such thing as a perfect seminary (including my favorite RTS--you can e-mail me on this...). No matter where you study there will be issues. However, it is good to know about them before attending ..... thus, be more biblically prepared and "ready to give an answer." So please do not take what I have written above as an indictment against Whitefield--as I would attend there, however, I know what I am getting myself into as well... which one should know concerning any seminary, or church, for that matter ...


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I believe you are correct. R.C. Sproul, Sr., earned his undergraduate degree from Westminster College, his graduate degree from Pittsburg Xenia Seminary and his doctorate from the University of Amsterdam. Methinks it is R.C. Sproul, Jr. who studied at Whitefield.

Pilgrim,

Your right R.C. Sproul Jr. did receive a degree from Whitefield. He holds degrees from Grove City College and Reformed Theological Seminary, and received his D.Min. from Whitefield Theological Seminary. However, R.C. Sproul Sr. has also listed Whitefield in his bio. I don't know whether that degree was earned or honorary but it is listed along with his other degrees.


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The advice has been good. I think I will probably stay away from CES. Shame though...I really liked the books they listed for their courses. Im more of a classical apologist and they had several of those authors' books in their curriculum, ie Geisler, Moreland, etc.

Birmingham (BTS) looks promising right now. Im trying to email them some questions about their courses. Looks like the email on the site - bts@briarwood.org isnt a working email though. I'll keep looking at Whitefield too. J_Edwards, I looked into Bahnsen and your advice helped here. I probably dont want to be associated with that stigma. I had no idea this kinda stuff existed...

Thanks again for the heads up info. Everybody has really helped me so far.

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If you want to contact Birmingham Theological Seminary, try this page:

http://www.birminghamseminary.org/RequestInformation.asp

It may work OK, or try calling them. It is odd how a lot of churches and church-related organizations don't monitor their email, but hopefully Birmingham Theological Seminary does monitor theirs.

Theo

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