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Boanerges said:The Wesleyan/Arminian view of prevenient grace isn't everyone getting their hearts equally prepared but rather having the effects of the fall reversed to the point that their free will is restored. (see my reply to Joe K) This isn't an inclination toward God but rather a restoration to a neutral state. The thing is I can't see anything in scripture that states we were ever in a neutral state. That's why I prefer to not call their silly notion "Prevenient Grace"... but rather, "Convenient Grace" . . . God makes it convenient for anyone to "get saved" if and when they are so inclined. ![[Linked Image]](http://www.the-highway.com/Smileys/gigglerabbit.gif)
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anna3b said:
BTW Pilgrim, I don't quite agree with you that humbled-to-the-dust people accept sovereign grace- there are people out there (not meaning anyone here) that accept these truths intellectually and therefore quite easily. I would wonder at anyone who accepts the sovereignty of God *easily* as it is a hard doctrine for depraved people to accept, because it requires being humbled to the dust! Sorry if I wasn't clear on that matter. When I used the word "accept", it was meant to connote to embrace these truths BOTH intellectually and heartily, i.e., with one's whole being so that one's life is thus changed based upon those truths. It's analogous to the vast difference between "Assensus" and "Fiducia" when speaking of faith. The first is a simple head knowledge and the latter is a total embracing which includes knowledge. Or in more practical and contemporary terms, it is the difference between "Easy Believism" vs "True Saving Faith" which includes evangelical repentance; a turning from sin and a turning to holiness with a genuine reliance upon Christ. Thus again, my mention of "being humbled to the dust" was in reference to one who has been regenerated by the Spirit of God and thus given not only the ability to accept these truths but to wholly embrace them as a life-changing principle. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> In His grace,
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Boanerges said:The Wesleyan/Arminian view of prevenient grace isn't everyone getting their hearts equally prepared but rather having the effects of the fall reversed to the point that their free will is restored. (see my reply to Joe K) This isn't an inclination toward God but rather a restoration to a neutral state. The thing is I can't see anything in scripture that states we were ever in a neutral state. And it is no longer grace in that it puts works back into the salvation equation.
John Chaney
"having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith . . ." Colossians 2:7
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