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#51832 Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:53 PM
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I'm seriously trying to know the details of differences in denominations that claim to be Reformed/Calvinists.

If there are denominations I should avoid, I need to know the reasons.

I won't attend PCUSA because I read that they ordain LBGTs and what I see in my Bible tells me that God doesn't approve of the Supreme Court's decision.

Please help.

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Many denominations that claim to be Reformed are so only on paper. The one you mentioned, for example, claims the Westminster Confession of Faith as its standard of doctrine and practice, yet as you see, in actual practice they deny it.

The same can be said of many other denominations and individual churches. One needs to look beyond the paper and see the actions taken by church courts, committees, position papers, and publications. It takes some time and a bit of digging, but it's important and very enlightening!

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Lynda, good to see you again. I would concur with what Robin said. As a denomination, the PCUSA, has gone completely off the mark and should be regarded as apostate. I know we have had discussions about them in the past which may be worth doing a search for. What is worse is that through lack of Church discipline, the PCA and OPC have been infiltrated with heresy. It is impossible to regard one denomination as being completely immune to this. Your best defense is to prayerfully study the Scriptures for yourself and be prepared to discern Truth from error. Being wise also to the fact that many redefine familiar terms.


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I must say that as a bonefide curgmugeon, although a realist, that there is not ONE denomination which is not infected with error on our day. Yes, there are some which are better than others and that's where one must decide the "lesser of evils" when considering joining a church within any denomination. Many years ago I was a member of a church that was affiliated with the RCA (Reformed Church in America), which is a denomination which had departed from orthodoxy and has grown increasingly worse. BUT... it basically did not abide by any of the unbiblical mandates, doctrines and/or practices espoused by the denomination. It gave no monies to the denomination but rather supported orthodox endeavors. Eventually it was forced to make the decision to leave, which it did by a unanimous vote.

So, the bottom line is that what you should be seeking is not a denomination per se, but a faithful local church that stands firmly upon historic biblical Christianity (Reformed/Calvinism) and is consistent in both doctrine and life. One of the main criteria, if I may make the suggestion, is to observe what kind of WORSHIP is practiced. For, that will reveal the church's doctrine of God as well as its adherence to biblical truth, e.g., the Regulative Principle of Worship.

Yes, it is a daunting task to find a solid church in our day among the thousands that exist out there. And, it can become quite depressing when you see just how far astray most of them have gone. [Linked Image] So, be prayerful in your search and perhaps God will be gracious to you and lead you to a good church.

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This reminds me of something I was reading by Pink recently describes quite well what we are seeing happen in the Church today.
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One of the divinely predicted characteristics of the “perilous times” in which we are now living is that “evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived” (II Tim. 3:13). The deeper reference of these words is to spiritual seducers and deceivers. Men with captivating personalities, men who occupy prominent places in Christendom, men with an apparently deep reverence for Holy Writ, are beguiling souls with fatal error. Not only are evolutionists, higher critics, and modernists deluding multitudes of our young people with their sugar-coated lies, but some who pose as the champions of orthodoxy and boast of their ability to “rightly divide the Word of Truth,” are poisoning the minds of many to their eternal destruction.
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2Tim 3:13 " But evil men and impostors shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived."


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Robin, may God help me! I wish I were younger! I need a crash course --- I'm nearly sixty-nine.

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Originally Posted by chestnutmare
Lynda, good to see you again. I would concur with what Robin said. As a denomination, the PCUSA, has gone completely off the mark and should be regarded as apostate. I know we have had discussions about them in the past which may be worth doing a search for. What is worse is that through lack of Church discipline, the PCA and OPC have been infiltrated with heresy. It is impossible to regard one denomination as being completely immune to this. Your best defense is to prayerfully study the Scriptures for yourself and be prepared to discern Truth from error. Being wise also to the fact that many redefine familiar terms.

Thanks, CM. So is everyone telling me to stay at home?

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Originally Posted by Pilgrim
I must say that as a bonefide curgmugeon, although a realist, that there is not ONE denomination which is not infected with error on our day. Yes, there are some which are better than others and that's where one must decide the "lesser of evils" when considering joining a church within any denomination. Many years ago I was a member of a church that was affiliated with the RCA (Reformed Church in America), which is a denomination which had departed from orthodoxy and has grown increasingly worse. BUT... it basically did not abide by any of the unbiblical mandates, doctrines and/or practices espoused by the denomination. It gave no monies to the denomination but rather supported orthodox endeavors. Eventually it was forced to make the decision to leave, which it did by a unanimous vote.

So, the bottom line is that what you should be seeking is not a denomination per se, but a faithful local church that stands firmly upon historic biblical Christianity (Reformed/Calvinism) and is consistent in both doctrine and life. One of the main criteria, if I may make the suggestion, is to observe what kind of WORSHIP is practiced. For, that will reveal the church's doctrine of God as well as its adherence to biblical truth, e.g., the Regulative Principle of Worship.

Yes, it is a daunting task to find a solid church in our day among the thousands that exist out there. And, it can become quite depressing when you see just how far astray most of them have gone. [Linked Image] So, be prayerful in your search and perhaps God will be gracious to you and lead you to a good church.

I know what you're talking about, but staying home sets a bad examlpe to children and grandchildren. You're aware that there are only two choices on my area --- RCNA and PCUSA, right?

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Would you confirm the identity of the RCNA? Would it be the Netherlands Reformed Church? I think that given the state of the PCUSA which went south many years ago. Maybe late 1800s? So there would be no question in my mind not to consider going there.

Lynda, a question comes to mind: why is it a bad example to not go to something that is bad? I am sure you would agree that not going to bad place, is a good example to the children. If you were to go to the PCUSA, you would be setting a bad example for it would be done in violation to God's Word.

You may want to review the Three Marks of a True Church found in the Belgic Confession, Art. 29 and use them as a guide.

While I wouldn't tell you to stay home if there was any faithful churches within a reasonable driving distance to your home, I would say that you would be ill-advised to go to one which is a false church.


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Originally Posted by chestnutmare
Would you confirm the identity of the RCNA? Would it be the Netherlands Reformed Church? I think that given the state of the PCUSA which went south many years ago. Maybe late 1800s? So there would be no question in my mind not to consider going there.

Lynda, a question comes to mind: why is it a bad example to not go to something that is bad? I am sure you would agree that not going to bad place, is a good example to the children. If you were to go to the PCUSA, you would be setting a bad example for it would be done in violation to God's Word.

You may want to review the Three Marks of a True Church found in the Belgic Confession, Art. 29 and use them as a guide.

While I wouldn't tell you to stay home if there was any faithful churches within a reasonable driving distance to your home, I would say that you would be ill-advised to go to one which is a false church.

I'm sorry! CRCNA = Christian Reformed Church in North America. Is this a hyper-Calvinist site? I have a hard time accepting that there is only one completely true denomination.

I have to go take some Tylenol. I'll come back later. I didn't finish answering your questions, but I'm in a lot of pain.



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Yikes! Sounds like you do not have anything if that is all you have. In this case, you cannot choose to worship at either institution for the have apostatized and have been so for a long time. You are in good company for many people find themselves in a similar situation. IF this is the situation you have, you cannot attend a false church as it would be in disobedience to God, so you do what you can with what you have been given. Many people read Scripture, doctrinal books, listen to sermons online (from faithful teachers of the Word), and read sermons. The Highway has lots of good material to help you. I don't have an accurate count but think that there is somewhere between 1,600 and 1,700 books, articles, sermons, Bible study helps and resources on this site. Surely, if you were to read through all of them, you would grow in your knowledge of God and your faith in time.


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There are Reformed churches in some "non-Reformed" denominations, too. My own church is in the Southern Baptist Convention, which is not officially Reformed at all - yet our church subscribes fully to the London Baptist Confession, which closely mirrors the Westminster Confession with exceptions in hermeneutics, baptism, and polity. It is far more Reformed in practice than my former church which belongs to an "officially Reformed" denomination.

Perhaps a Google search of churches that subscribe to at least the "Three Forms of Unity" (three major confessions of faith that define Reformed orthodoxy). Among Southern Baptists, most of the churches that teach and practice the Reformed faith are listed at the Founders web site.

Been there too,
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Originally Posted by chestnutmare
Yikes! Sounds like you do not have anything if that is all you have. In this case, you cannot choose to worship at either institution for the have apostatized and have been so for a long time. You are in good company for many people find themselves in a similar situation. IF this is the situation you have, you cannot attend a false church as it would be in disobedience to God, so you do what you can with what you have been given. Many people read Scripture, doctrinal books, listen to sermons online (from faithful teachers of the Word), and read sermons. The Highway has lots of good material to help you. I don't have an accurate count but think that there is somewhere between 1,600 and 1,700 books, articles, sermons, Bible study helps and resources on this site. Surely, if you were to read through all of them, you would grow in your knowledge of God and your faith in time.

LOL! I have ADD. I have to read everything twice just to get the gist of it. One small step --- better to try than to give up! Yesterday I felt overwhelmed.

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Originally Posted by chestnutmare
...Lynda, a question comes to mind: why is it a bad example to not go to something that is bad? I am sure you would agree that not going to bad place, is a good example to the children. If you were to go to the PCUSA, you would be setting a bad example for it would be done in violation to God's Word...

Well...they will assume that I don't really know the Lord if I stay home every week.

Two of my children won't go to church. The other two are (1)Arminian and (2) Eastern Orthodox.

I don't think I want to go into a discussion of how I speculate that that came about, except to say I tried too many denominations after leaving Mormonism.

Are all churches false?

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Well...they will assume that I don't really know the Lord if I stay home every week.
scratchchin That sure looks like a perfect opportunity to enlighten someone and dispel some wrong ideas they might have. evilgrin

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2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (ASV) "Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity? or what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what portion hath a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement hath a temple of God with idols? for we are a temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore Come ye out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, And touch no unclean thing; And I will receive you, And will be to you a Father, And ye shall be to me sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."


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