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Our friends from Big Eva will say this is "replacement theology" and simply dismiss it, sadly.
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I'm sure you are correct. ![[Linked Image]](https://the-highway.com/Smileys/Sigh.gif) Oh, who is "Big Eva"? 
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"Big Eva" is a shortened version of "Big Evangelical," which compares to "Big Tech," "Big Oil," "Big Pharma," etc.
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"Big Eva" is a shortened version of "Big Evangelical," which compares to "Big Tech," "Big Oil," "Big Pharma," etc. Ahhhhh, yeh, the mega-church Evanjellicals. 
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I bothers me, when people call it “Replacement Theology”. However, I have learned usually it does no good to say anything. I even heard some Amils embrace the term and say I should as well.
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I read with interest the article you provided. I also found another article by a Dispensationalist in direct response to it. Although I have not read it through yet, I plan to as I find it helps to see both positions side by side. https://wordexplain.com/PDFdocs/Sta...oEvangelicals.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.comTom
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I’m confused what the issue is, especially from the reformed Christianity side…
1. Jesus, a Jew, came to save the lost. 2. He was rejected by His own, but he was also rejected by everybody else, except His elect when he walked the earth, before, and after.
That’s essentially the religious side.
Any political case based on scripture has to follow those main points, first and foremost. Would Jews who come to faith but live outside of the recent state of Israel be disqualified from coming to Christ or something? What about those Jews who lived prior to when the nation state of Israel was established?
I don’t know what the big deal about the secularly derived state of Israel is as far as God’s plan of salvation, and there is no explicit case for its establishment in scripture. So would God obscure these things and what about all the Jews who reside in other parts of the world and did so for centuries?
I’m not sure the blind Israel supporters care about the legitimacy of a scriptural case. Ted Cruz didn’t seem to…
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 This "Zionism" or even a pre-occupation with Israel as a nation could be said to be inconsistent at best and a denial at worst of the biblical doctrine of "UNconditional Election". God's "chosen", those upon whom He has from all eternity determined to make His own out of Adam's fallen race do NOT fit into some special race, nationality, color nor anything else. God's saving grace is based upon HIS OWN WILL and nothing more added nor reasons given other it was and is His "good pleasure" to do so. Nowhere that I can find that a Jew never mind an entire nation have divine privilege unto salvation. (Jh 1:13; Rom 9:7-9) In fact, the biblical record is perspicuous on the matter of the relationship of Israel to God. The overwhelming majority of them perished in idolatry and unbelief, no differently that the vast majority of Gentiles throughout the world. IF Israel is persecuted and horribly treated, which it has on numerous occasions. If they are the target of radical lunatics, which they are. If they are in need of help against all these things, by all means they should be given compassion, aid, and help in their defense of life. But NOT because of some fabricated idea that they are "God's chosen race", but because as individuals, they are created in the image of God no less nor more than any other human being on this earth. Salvation is of the LORD and He indiscriminately calls the worst of sinners out of this fallen human race to receive His infinite mercy by bringing them all to Christ by the Spirit's sovereign work.
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The present coalition of Arab and European states is somewhat strained from the start because of US Ambassador Huckabee's dispensationalist views, Israel as "God's chosen people," etc. Logistics has become very difficult. Resources for the military have to come from much farther away because the nearby nations object to Huckabee's political position based on his theological beliefs, which he includes in his political speeches and actions.
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That’s really interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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It’s all really bizarre and appears to have more to do with the actual land than the people…
-Some of the most (ultra) Orthodox Jews are against the current political State of Israel on religious grounds.
-The current State of Israel is secularly & politically derived and is actually very liberal (gay marriage and abortion are legal, etc. … It’s not like God can’t change the hearts of the citizenry in an instant, but this is not a religious state that just needs to be awakened).
-There are Jews that live all over the globe. Don’t they count? Are the Jews that reside in Israel superior to the Jews that reside elsewhere (in US, Canada, etc.)?
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This is also interesting, and I remember hearing about some of the outraged Israeli citizens at the time, is how these citizens - “God’s people” - were used as a test case for Covid vaccine. It feels like too many of these people - all made in the image of God - are just being used as geo-political collateral… “As of late April 2021, about 55% of Israeli citizens and residents, including 82% of those over 60 years, were immunized with two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine (BNT162b2). The Israeli vaccination drive started soon after the Emergency Use Authorization of BNT162b2 by the FDA in the United States, and so far proved highly efficient against SARS-CoV-2 infections, including for the B1.1.7 variant, for reducing infection and new hospitalization rates by over 50-fold within 3 months [1]. The timely COVID-19 vaccine supply in Israel, unparalleled by other countries, was possible thanks to an agreement between its government and Pfizer, according to which Israel agreed to serve as a real-world testing ground (sort of a “Phase 4” study) for the vaccine, in return for sharing with Pfizer aggregated information on COVID-19 vaccination and infection rates. However, at time of writing, details of this agreement remain undisclosed. This lack of transparency, along with the fact that Israeli citizens eligible and willing to receive COVID-19 vaccination were not offered alternative (non-mRNA based) COVID-19 vaccines, and were not asked to sign an informed consent to be vaccinated, contributed to public mistrust in the Israeli vaccination drive.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8156903/Pfizer exec calls Israel ‘a sort of laboratory’ for COVID vaccines https://www.timesofisrael.com/pfizer-exec-calls-israel-a-sort-of-laboratory-for-covid-vaccines/Liberty Counsel: Netanyahu Turned Israel Into COVID-19 Shot “Lab for Pfizer”
…Netanyahu has been seeking to launch Israel into the global digital health sector for several years. He stated the sector is estimated at $6 trillion and he believes Israel could obtain up to 10 percent of the market share through his nation’s medical data. In 2018, he had announced at the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland a national digital health plan for Israel, which is now the medical database he gave Pfizer access to that encompasses the medical files of nearly nine million Israeli residents. Netanyahu’s office states it’s “the second largest digital database in the world.”
“This is a huge asset,” Netanyahu said in 2018. “We want to make this available to researchers and developers and enterprises.”
In the recent February 2023 interview with Dr. Peterson, Netanyahu explained how he wants to take the now populated database one step further into genetics.
“I intend to bring on that base of personal medical records for [the] entire population, a genetic database. Give me a saliva sample…I’m sure most people would do it. Maybe we’ll pay them,” stated Netanyahu.
After potentially paying the Israeli people for their genetic data, Netanyahu noted that the genetic record of Israel’s robust population would be “a very powerful engine.”
“This is a very powerful engine. Now let pharma companies, let medical companies, let them run algorithms on this database. But you can create a biotechnological industry that is unheard of right now, unheard of, unimagined even.”
While big medical data analysis can be used to pinpoint health concerns for large numbers of people, dangers exist with big data in the hands of big corporations and government, such as breaches, misuses and even misrepresentation of the data to the public. For instance, Israel’s Ministry of Health (IMOH), which supports Netanyahu’s database initiatives, pushes the narrative that the Pfizer COVID-19 shot is “safe and effective” even after being presented with evidence to the contrary. https://lc.org/newsroom/details/050423-netanyahu-turned-israel-into-covid19-shot-lab-for-pfizer
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