Jason<br>I do apologize if you took that as an insult. I can assure you it was not meant in that tone at all.<br>I think in my own life I worked very hard at making our children feel as though they were not in the middle of a raging battle, but rather to have their lives as "normal" as possible, even though we were divorced. I also worked extemely hard at making sure the children not only honored him, but obeyed him when he even tried to make them obey. God is gracious in that we have very wonderful and well behaved children, and the issue came from the fact that their father did not want to be dad, but buddy. However, he was their father, and to this day make sure their very speech honors him, and if he were to ask them to obey, I would encourage them to heed his counsel. My youngest is 17, so we are almost finished with children at home.<br><br>I would have to defer the question about affairs and children obeying the guilty party who has been under church discipline to someone else. You bring up a good point, however, since most churches don't discipline, I do not know.<br><br>Linda<br><br>
Oh Pilgrim I could not agree with you more.<br><br>The reason we have to ask the question is because of divorce, and the sin in this world.<br><br>I also say Amen to the church having more compassion. But not only in this issue, is everything. I cannot tell you the things I have seen from those who profess to know the true Grace of God be so graceless and merciless toward other christians. Especially as an elder or deacon, or even pastor.<br><br>Sad day indeed. Come Lord Jesus.<br><br>
Thank you for that clarification Linda, and I commend you in the Lord for your godly counsel towards your children respecting their father.<br><br>Sincerely in Christ,<br><br>~Jason<br>
Not to resurrect an old subject but I was reading from Calvin last night and this thread came to mind. He said in his institutes, page 401-404, with respect to the command to "obey your parents":
"38. THE THREAT Besides, while the Lord promises the blessing of the present life to those children who duly honor their parents, at the same time he implies that an inevitable curse threatens all stubborn and disobedient children. To assure that this commandment be carried out, he has, through his law, declared them subject to the sentence of death, and commanded that they undergo punishment. If they elude that judgment, he himself takes vengeance upon them in some way or other. For we see how many men of this sort perish either in battles or in quarrels; others are cast down in ways less common. Nearly all offer proof that this threatening is not an vain. Some people may escape punishment until extreme old age. Yet in this life they are bereft of God's blessing, and can only miserably pine away, being reserved for greater punishments to come. Far indeed, then, are they from sharing in the blessing promised to godly children! But we also ought in passing to note that we are bidden to obey our parents only "in the Lord" [ Ephesians 6:1]. This is apparent from the principle already laid down. For they sit in that place to which they have been advanced by the Lord, who shares with them a part of his honor. Therefore, the submission paid to them ought to be a step toward honoring that highest Father. Hence, if they spur us to transgress the law, we have a perfect right to regard them not as parents, but as strangers who are trying to lead us away from obedience to our true Father. So should we act toward princes, lords, and every kind of superiors. It is unworthy and absurd for their eminence so to prevail as to pull down the loftiness of God. On the contrary, their eminence depends upon God's loftiness and ought to lead us to it."
Apparently he believed that Eph 6:1 was a caveat that meant that lawful commands were the ones included in the command.
