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Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: Pilgrim] #18082
Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:37 PM
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Pilgrim,

You stated that:

"'Could this possibly be because those who have traditionally voted Republican have changed their philosophy/cosmology and moved to the 'left'".

Of the people I know, quite the opposite is true. They are upset at how far to the left the Republican leadership has gone and this is why they are rejecting Bush for president.

Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: E_F_Grant] #18083
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E_F_Grant,

You stated:

"I hope the Republicans get a good, loud message."

From what I understand, this is basically the same thing I've heard and was talking about. Some people are trying to tell the Republicans that if they don't change, they would let the Democrats win the presidency.

Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: CovenantInBlood] #18084
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Kyle,

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It is not right for you or anyone else to bully her by telling her that a vote for the candidate she most favors is actually a vote for the candidate she least favors.


Please forgive me, I didn't mean to start a fight around here, but was just bringing up what I think. I totally agree with you and E F and whoever else, that it is definately your right to decide who you will vote for. I didn't mean to bully anyone, but am just bringing up the issue of the "dilemma" of the other partys and how it can effect who wins. I do respect that the decision is indeed up to them. I'm just trying to point out the reality of things. Honestly I have not spent a whole lot of time reading up on all these other parties. I will look up Peroutka. Who knows, maybe one day I'll be voting for a 3rd party someday if I get a bit more politically educated. But for this election that will not be the case because I am also voting my conscience too. And my conscience strongly tells me that I do not want to see Kerry in office. And the best way not to see him in office is to vote for Bush. That's where I am coming from. I just disagree and you in turn may disagree with me. That's ok.
Guess next time I'll just fill in the secret ballot.

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Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd] #18085
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The decisive factor for me in determining who I personally will vote for is who I think will be the best man for the job. On the other hand, it doesn't matter who I vote for since there isn't any chance of anyone but Bush getting the electoral votes in the state in which I live. I am free to protest and still not affect Bush's chances of winning. However, not everyone is in the same position as I am so with them other factors must also come into consideration.

Have a good Lord's Day everyone. I won't be back until Monday.

Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd] #18086
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To be quite frank, since I no longer live in the U.S., <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/giggle.gif" alt="" /> IF I were still living there, I would be casting my vote for Bush. I've read a little about the Constitution Party and like one other said in this thread, their isolationist philosophy on some matters makes me very nervous, to say the least. If people think that Kerry would alienate the U.S.'s current allies, I cannot doubt that the Constitution Party would create enemies out of them. Sorry, but I am not attracted to extremism in either direction. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/evilgrin.gif" alt="" />

So, I'll be content to sit back and watch the election returns and pray that John Kerry doesn't get elected. One "Canada" is enough! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: janean] #18087
Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:04 AM
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As you can probably tell, anytime one talks politics it is hard not to offend someone.

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Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: Tom] #18088
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As you can probably tell, anytime one talks politics it is hard not to offend someone.

Tom

Yes that's the truth right there. And low and behold last evening I realized I was offended and bugged by something. I have never yet heard (this is amongst my friend and people I know) or read anyone ever say and use the phrase "I am voting my conscience" and referring to Bush. I have always seen and heard this phrase referring to those who are voting some third party. And darn it I caught my self "subconsciously" thinking that I wasn't voting my conscience. I realized I it when I reread my other post (and then I later edited it) in which I originally wrote,

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maybe someday I'll be voting my conscious and voting for a 3rd party too.

Then I re-read the post. AUGGGGGHHH!! why did I write that???? I was just reverberating back the many times I've heard and read that phrase "voting my conscience for the other party". I big light bulb went on --- darn it I AM voting my conscience!! And I explained that on my other post.

Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: Tom] #18089
Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:12 PM
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I will be voting for the Constitution party at the federal level.


Soli Deo Gloria

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Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: rbnd] #18090
Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:29 PM
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I left the Republican Party and joined the Constitution Party. I used to be very active in the Republican Party. I attended rallies, visited my assemblymen and congressmen, wrote letters, emails, phone calls, campaigned, etc. I did this hoping to have conservative say in things Republican. Unfortunately, they wouldn't listen. My letters, emails, etc. were rarely answered. I opposed the direction the party was taking with the Neo-cons and I wrote Haley Barbour to let him know many Republicans were not happy with the party leaning the Bush direction, before the last election.

Finally I got tired of being a "token" to make the Republican party look conservative. So I searched for a Party that more closely resembled my views. Interesting, that within one month of re-registering I received a personal phone call from the Republican party asking me to serve on one of their committees.

I opposed the idea of too much moral compromise in the Party. When this current President was Gov. of Texas he appointed three pro-abortion supreme court justices to the Texas court and was the political patron of a fourth. As President he appointed pro-homosexual, pro-abortion justice Gonzales as his white house counsel. This is often the step before Supreme Court nomination.

Government has gotten incredibly larger under this administration. It has actually grown more than under the Clinton administration.

I personally don't feel the action in Iraq qualifies under augustinian just war theory.

With the homeland security act, this administration has taken steps that violate the very heart of our constitution.

Some are worried about isolationism. Since I live in a part of the country where most of the steel manufacturing jobs have been lost to Germany, and much of the leather and shoe manufacturing has moved to China, I think a little more protectionism is a good thing. In the fear of isolationism, we've sold our corporate souls.

I know our President strives to be a man of faith, and I respect him and pray for him. I cannot vote for someone whose actions oppose my view of good government.

The problem with the lesser of two evils argument, or the vote that goes for the other guy idea is seen clearly in the current state of the Republican party. Every election it votes for the lesser of two evils and guess what? The lesser of two evils is a little worse every time.

I figure Daniel and his three friends wouldn't have voted to eat the King's meat because it was the lesser of two evils, so why should I. Evil is evil and should be shunned by Christians when they know it is there.

SDG,
Dan

Re: Who are you voting for? [Re: bestrech] #18091
Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:49 PM
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What finally got me was to have someone point out that not only was Roe v. Wade illegal, but to vote for the status quo is like voting for the Holocaust to continue. Would I have stood up in Nazi Germany? Let me not make the same cowardly mistake as the Germans! I want a man who is going to come out swinging and punching and kicking with every fiber on this issue. Frankly, it is the most important, the most crucial issue to me, and I can find no better person on that score than Peroutka. This issue MUST get settled before we talk about geting anywhere on anything else: there is nothing more important than the sanctitiy of human life. I simply cannot vote for the GOP any more with their track record on this. Bush has appointed some pretty odd judges for a guy who says he is anti-abortion.

However, there is more to like about the CP than that: their position on state education is very attractive. Pilgrim, if Bush gets in we WILL have another Canada. That's why I'm voting CP. I've had it.


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Gee, Eleanor, how do you REALLY feel? ;-> [Re: E_F_Grant] #18092
Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:38 PM
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Good post, BTW. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bow.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Gee, Eleanor, how do you REALLY feel? ;-> [Re: TheClingingVine] #18093
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Y'know , I'm rethinking the Libertarian thing...if those guys got in, there'd be ALOT more pornography. I don't know if their whole position on individual sovereignty can hold water, even at the local level. Back to the drawing board. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Gee, Eleanor, how do you REALLY feel? ;-> [Re: E_F_Grant] #18094
Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:35 PM
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I simply cannot vote for the GOP any more with their track record on this. Bush has appointed some pretty odd judges for a guy who says he is anti-abortion.


I'd really like to know what judges you are talking about here--did Bush really appoint any pro-abortion judges?

Did it ever occur to you that a vote for Peroutka really amounts to a vote for Kerry--do you REALLY think Bush and Kerry are equally bad?

You know, the really neat thing about our . . . #18095
Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:25 AM
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...totally, completely sovereign God is that we can vote for the one whose platform best honors Him and His Word, then let Him decide who wins.

He disapproves of female leadership, yet there was Deborah as judge of Israel. Whether we like it or not, sometimes He sets leaders in place as a judgment, or refining influence.

In any case, the whole point of our electoral process is for the candidate the majority of voters prefer to be elected (within the constraints of the electoral college, as Gore discovered). If most people who turn out to vote want Kerry, then Kerry is who should be elected. If most people who turn out to vote want Bush, then Bush should be elected.

I'm not enthusiastic about either one, so am voting for someone else. According to you, this is, in effect, a vote for Kerry.

According to me, this is a vote for Peroutka, and my vote will accurately reflect my position.

The LORD doesn't need us to try and second-guess the outcome in the way you are trying to do.

Plus, attempting to persuade people to vote for someone they don't want to win is hardly in keeping with American ideals, is it?


Anne
Re: You know, the really neat thing about our . . . [Re: TheClingingVine] #18096
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Exactly, Anne. Even if Kerry gets elected, God is on His throne, and has ordained that Kerry should be there. I am content to cast my vote for Peroutka, and let God decide who wins. I have my orders to obey whomever takes that seat insofar as they do not order me to do things directly contrary to the decree of God. I have my preferences as to whom should be in the White House, but God's decision is fine with me. If I can't vote in good conscience, then no one is forcing me to vote. I have no obligation to vote for someone who does not meet my criteria. God is capable of selecting a President all the same.

No, I think (as far as I am able to tell) that Bush is a better, more godly man. But I still cannot vote for him. I suggest you go to the CP website and see why.


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