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The Trucker's Protest
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by ATulipNotADaisy - Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:54 AM
Alberta Sentences Unvaccinated Transplant Patients to Death
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Behold, I am vile
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The Trucker's Protest Tom Yesterday at 11:40 PM
The Canadian Trucker Protesters
If you are like me, you saw the truckers protest and government response in Ottawa Canada and it caused you great concern.

Talking to American Christians, they also had concerns about this as well. Mainly because things like this have a tendency of setting a presidence even where they live.
In my case, although I actually supported in principle what the truckers were trying to do. However, I wanted to be certain I do not cross the line in my own conduct as a Christian.
I recently found what I believe is a really good discussion on the Trucker’s Protest.

https://founders.org/interviews/tst...-of-trudeau-biblical-principles-to-apply

As I was thinking through what was said, I could not help but think how the same principles that this podcast talked about, also apply to many other areas.

For example, in Romans 13 it talks about how we should obey the magistrate as long as the magistrate is upholding God's truth. As opposed to when the magistrates goes beyond their scope of authority.

In Canada, for example a Bill called Bill C-4 essentially could make it illegal to evangelize the LBGQT+++ people. Obviously, although I expect there to be consequences for disobeying the magistrate. Never the less, for the believer to obey them is disobeying God and fearing man over God.

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Re: Chinese Police forces operating in Canada ATulipNotADaisy Yesterday at 02:02 PM
https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...ice-service-stations-toronto-2022-11-22/

"The stations are an extension of Beijing's efforts to pressure some Chinese nationals or their relatives abroad to return to China to face criminal charges, the report by Safeguard Defenders said."

https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/b...ese-110-overseas-police-service-stations
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Re: Letter from Dr. Malone Concerning Covid ATulipNotADaisy Yesterday at 01:54 PM
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Re: Alberta Sentences Unvaccinated Transplant Patients to Death ATulipNotADaisy Yesterday at 01:51 PM
There are more people who desperately need organs than there are organ donors. There are even less actual organs than there are donors, because not every donor dies in a manner that allows organs to be harvested, and not every organ is viable after harvest.
People die every day waiting for a transplant. Organs go to those that have the greatest need or the best chance of survival. Organs are not going to be WASTED on someone who is not willing to do everything in their power to reduce their risk of dying after transplant, and that includes refusing to reduce their chances of dying from a vaccine preventable infectious disease, not when there are others who desperately need those organs.

Requiring vaccines for transplants is nothing new, at least not in the US.

I would say this person sentenced herself to death.

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releas...y-protected-by-covid-19-vaccination.aspx
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Re: Chinese Police forces operating in Canada Tom Yesterday at 01:15 AM
Yes, it appears that our nations are in essence flirting with the enemy.

If I was not a believer, who believes that God is still on the thrown and has a plan even for this. I am not sure how I could stay sane.

I happen to know that not all the people that are seeing through our governments agenda and lies are Christians; but are trying to get to the bottom of these thing and do what they can. Rebel News is just one such organization and I do not believe they are all believers either.

This morning Rebel News sent me an e-mail asking if I would be joining them in Calgary Saturday November 26, concerning things like this issue. I will not be attending; but almost wish I could.
https://www.rebelnewslive.com/

Tom
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Re: Chinese Police forces operating in Canada Pilgrim Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:10 PM
Newsmax had a short report on this in the U.S.; I can't remember the number of 'outposts' that had been reported, but it was far more than 3. It was reported that the FBI is allegedly 'investigating' the reports that have come in. But of course, that means that nothing will either be done or very little will be forthcoming, given the depth of corruption within the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, DOJ and the ATF.
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Wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving! chestnutmare Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:48 PM
Thought you might enjoy this from Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh - THE TRUE STORY OF THANKSGIVING
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Letter from Dr. Malone Concerning Covid Tom Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:39 PM
A friend sent me the following and I thought it was worth sharing.

The Call

Then everything changed, first for me and our DTRA-funded research group, and then for the world.

I took a call on my cell phone on January 4, 2020, from a fellow physician who had been in Wuhan, China, for some unknown period of time via an academic exchange program with a Chinese university. Dr. Michael Callahan is a brilliant infectious disease and intensive care specialist with both a long history of working at the forefront of biodefense and medical countermeasure development as well as a faculty appointment at Harvard University. Many years before, he had been introduced to me as a CIA employee and key DARPA leader, but his status regarding the CIA as of January 4, 2020, was and remains unknown to me. Michael and I had copublished academic papers in the past (involving the Zika virus outbreak) during my Atheric Pharmaceutical days, and I knew that he was exceptionally well-connected with those who live in the edgy gray zone of global infectious disease outbreaks and the US intelligence community. Of course, he knew that I had previously succeeded in collaborating with leading scientists at USAMRIID, the nation’s biodefense epicenter, to identify repurposed drugs active against the Zika virus. Michael called to warn me that there was a new coronavirus on the loose in Wuhan, China, and to recommend that I get my group spun up to apply our tools, skills, and knowledge to address this new biothreat. And with that fateful call, our quiet lives on our Virginia horse farm were completely transformed. Jill and I had been at the forefront of so many of these outbreaks in the past: HIV, the Anthrax spore events, influenza virus (multiple times), West Nile, Ebola, Zika, etc. Our initial response to the alert call from Michael Callahan was a reflexive “here we go again,” with a topper of “time to get going.”

Having a proven ability to make a difference is both a gift and a curse. Chaos reigns early in a potential infectious disease pandemic. As if God’s hand were guided by the words of Shakespeare’s Mark Antony: “Cry ‘Havoc!’ and let slip the dogs of war.” The onset of war is the proper metaphor, and the fog of war descends over everything. For those at the tip of the spear, it gives rise to an addictive sustained adrenaline rush like no other, coupled with constant risk of going overboard if you lose perspective.

Action

Once again, we got to work. Jill is very local community-oriented, and she poured her heart, mind, and soul into writing a kind of survival manual for those at risk and self-published the book via Amazon. An avid reader, she had become a big fan of self-published books and her Kindle. I threw myself into getting the team assembled for the DTRA project spun up and providing direction by diving into the coronavirus literature and selecting a specific protein target to apply the repurposed drug discovery/computational docking tools to. I helped Jill with her book by collecting and expanding some of the thoughts and comments I had been posting on LinkedIn to create content about the virology and immunology and assisted on editing the text. We worked like demons, side by side, day after day, and she was able to self-publish during the first week in February 2020. Within a mere five weeks, she completed the first edition of Novel Coronavirus: A Guide for Preparation and Protection.

Meanwhile, I got my scientific research group motivated, energized, and activated to volunteer their time, skills, knowledge, and abilities to try to discover repurposed drugs able to act as inhibitors of the critical SARS-CoV-2 protein known as the papain-like protease, otherwise known to virology experts as the 3-chymotrypsin-like cysteine protease (3CLpro). When the sequence of the “Wuhan Seafood Market Virus” was uploaded to the NIH sequence database, I applied computer software tools developed at UCSF to model the structure of that protein based on publicly available (previously published) crystal structures of the closely related 3CLpro from the SARS coronavirus. With SARS, this protein had been one of the leading antiviral drug targets, so it was reasonable to apply what had been learned with SARS to this new coronavirus. A specific region (binding pocket) of the protein had already been identified for drug development for the original SARS virus. Digital libraries representing detailed models of all known licensed drugs and nutraceutical compounds were obtained. Different software tools were then used to virtually dock each drug into the binding pocket of the modeled 3CLpro, resulting in a ranked list of possible inhibitors, which we then compared to the known safety profile and pharmaceutical characteristics of the leading drugs. This began a months-long process of testing, refinement, and retesting to optimize a list of drug candidates for further testing as antiviral compounds in the “real world.”

Censorship

Jill’s book was published February 11, 2020, with a plan to constantly update the editions as more data and information became available. We hoped to create what is known as a “living document” that would be updated as the pandemic evolved. There were no other books available at the time that had been written by medical and scientific professionals. Most people were still unaware of what they were about to be hit with as the virus made its way into Italy, the rest of Europe, and then the United States.

As more and more people became aware of the threat posed by this novel coronavirus, the book began to sell. Although sales were modest, charts from the Kindle Direct Publishing website showed steady increases in February and March. The Amazon reviews were all five stars, and Jill felt a strong sense of pride. Her first book!

Little did we know we were about to encounter the new reality of government-corporate cooperative censorship, which would become a major theme throughout the entire history of the COVID-19 public health event.

Jill’s book was censored by Amazon. No explanation, no appeal. When we went to upload the most current edition in March, we received messages stating that Kindle Direct Publishing was “experiencing a temporary delay in publishing some titles.” On the phone we were told this was a normal delay due to lack of editors. We then received multiple messages, stating that the book did not meet “community standards”—which many of us have come to recognize as the standard phrase used to justify censorship in the time of COVID. We spoke with multiple people at KDP, who assured us that the reviewers would speak to us about why, as that was standard Amazon policy. That usually such problems could be worked out.

A few days later, people at Amazon told us by phone that the reviewers would not speak with us and that the book didn’t meet community standards. They stated they did not know the reason the book was banned, and they were “very sorry.” Multiple phone calls produced the same results. They refused to pass on our wish to speak with a supervisor, and they refused to answer our questions. At no point did we lose our temper or raise our voice. They just refused all inquiries and stated that the reviewers did not wish to speak with us. We could find nothing in the “community standards” statements that applied to anything we had written.

And at that moment, we knew that something very dark was happening, something we had never seen before. Little did we realize that this was just a very early example of what was to become a large movement over the next two years, a global movement involving collusion between government, corporatized legacy media, social media, big technology, big finance, and nongovernmental organizations to completely control and shape all information and thought concerning the public health response to the novel coronavirus.

Publications and social media posts about the coronavirus began being removed from all over the Internet. Although the original intent was to remove books that promoted “snake oil,” or were out to make a quick profit, this censorship quickly turned into something far more insidiously dangerous. That is, books that didn’t share the messaging of the US government were removed. Amazon represents the biggest bookseller in the USA. When Amazon censors reading material—where does this leave us as a nation? Apparently, the government believed that we as a nation must give up our precious freedoms of free speech and a free press due to declaration of a public health emergency. I will write it as clearly as I can: censorship and its “big brother”—propaganda—is not the answer.

The ramifications of these choices by our government to censor, lie, and obscure will go down in history. If the truth-tellers—scientists, writers, journalists, and authors—are not allowed to document the true story, a revisionist history will emerge. The alternative history being provided by the US government and promulgated by tech giants will allow such outbreaks to occur more easily in the future and allow those who failed us to remain in control of our governmental functions.

In the short span of three months, Jill and I had gone from a peaceful life on our farm, to receiving an alert from an American physician and intelligence operative operating in a region of China that I had never even heard of before, to self-publishing a modest guide for preparing and protecting yourself from the coming wave of infection, to directly experiencing the effects of an emerging Orwellian collusion among an international nongovernmental organization (WHO), a US Government (which appeared to have casually cast aside the First Amendment enumerated in the Bill of Rights), and the largest bookseller and retailer in the world.

I am often asked, “What made you decide to speak out about what you saw going on during this ‘pandemic?’” I have been told that I have become radicalized (by Steve Bannon, no less!) or “red-pilled” over the ensuing many months. The truth is, my quest to understand how, why, and by whom this global public health event has been weaponized against all of us began with a simple and inexplicable book banning. Many have since reviewed Jill’s book looking for some subtle offense and found nothing. The incredible effort and work product of my treasured wife and companion had been taken from her and thrown away with neither rationale nor explanation.

Doctrine

As time went on, it became clear to me that the World Health Organization, as well as senior members of the US Government Department of Health and Human Services, were repeatedly lying to the world. Almost daily, the official “leaders” speaking to the world, using the megaphone of mass media, were substituting their own personal opinions and biases for what was being presented to the general population as fact or data-based information. The phrase “Follow the Science” became a global joke, compounded by the amazing self-own statement of Dr. Fauci in which he told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd during June of 2021 that attacks on him were “attacks on science.” I began feeling an almost overwhelming sense of vertigo while struggling to find truth in the middle of this sea of mis(mal?)information, “factcheckers,” gaslighting, defamation, and chronic falsehoods. Then, while I was participating with other physicians in an effort to support two of our colleagues who were being threatened with loss of job and medical license for merely voicing concerns about the genetic vaccines and support for early interventions with repurposed licensed drugs, I was presented with an amazing document titled “The Malone Doctrine.” The authors told me that they had listened to everything I had said in my various public statements up to that point, had read everything I had written, and had developed a declaration based on the “white space between the lines” of all that I had spoken or written. They asked us to read and sign the declaration that they had prepared.

As Jill and I began to read their work, a smile crept across each of our faces and grew into outright joy. This was a first step toward recovery from the trauma and darkness that so many of us were experiencing. A new dawn. At that moment, we began to see the outlines of a better future coming, a future worth fighting for.

Malone MD MS, Robert W . Lies My Gov't Told Me: And the Better Future Coming
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Re: Chinese Police forces operating in Canada Tom Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:00 PM
Those are questions I have and apparently a lot of people are trying to find out answers to.
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Re: Chinese Police forces operating in Canada Pilgrim Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:14 AM
What authority do these alleged Chinese law enforcement forces have in Canada? And who gave them whatever authority they have?
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Behold, I am vile chestnutmare Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:48 PM
"Behold, I am vile" (Job 40:4). This was not said by Cain in a remorseful moment after his murder of Abel, nor by Judas after he had betrayed the Saviour into the hands of His enemies; instead, it was the utterance of one of whom God said, "There is none like him in the earth, a perfect (sincere) and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil" (Job 1:8). Was Job justified in using such strong language of self-deprecation? If he was, are Christians today warranted in echoing the same?

When was it that Job declared "Behold, I am vile"? It was when the Lord appeared to him and gave him a startling revelation of His own wondrous perfections! It was when he stood in the all-penetrating light of God’s immaculate holiness and was made to realize something of His mighty power. Ah, when a soul is truly brought into the presence of the living God, boasting ceases, our comeliness is turned into corruption (Dan. 10:8), and we cry, "Woe is me! for I am undone" (Isa. 6:5). When God makes to the soul a personal revelation of His wondrous perfections, that individual is effectually convinced of his own wretchedness. The more we are given to discern the ineffable glory of the Lord, the more will our self-complacency wither.

It is in God’s light, and in that only, "we see light" (Ps. 36:9). When He shines into our understandings and hearts, and brings to light "the hidden things of darkness," we perceive the utter corruption of our nature, and are abominable in our own eyes. While we measure ourselves by our fellows, we shall, most likely, think more highly of ourselves than we ought to think (Rom. 12:3); but when we measure ourselves by the holy requirements of God’s nature, we cry "I am dust and ashes" (Gen. 18:27). True repentance changes a man’s opinion of himself."

~ Arthur Pink
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Chinese Police forces operating in Canada Tom Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:38 PM
Many might have been hearing rumours of Chinese Police forces operating in Canada. I have also heard rumours of them in the USA as well; however I have been unable to find out the truth of that.
Recently, I found out that in Canada anyway, it is not just rumour; it is a fact. The only thing, I do not know for sure, is what their purpose is; though I have my suspicions and it is not a good thing.
What I do know is that they really do not have any business being there.

For those who might be interested; I am providing a link to an ongoing investigation Rebel News is doing.
https://www.rebelnews.com/investiga...utm_medium=email&utm_source=therebel

Tom
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Re: Alberta Sentences Unvaccinated Transplant Patients to Death Tom Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:45 AM
Very true, unfortunately. My understanding also, is that this is in direct violation of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. However, in the last few years that is not unusual.

I have been hearing for quite some time now, many doctors afraid to operate on unvaccinated people.

Tom
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Re: Alberta Sentences Unvaccinated Transplant Patients to Death Pilgrim Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:21 PM
So much for that Canadian Socialist "Universal Healthcare" where the government guarantees everyone good healthcare regardless of circumstances, eh? igiveup
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Alberta Sentences Unvaccinated Transplant Patients to Death Tom Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:37 PM
Alberta sentence unvaccinated transplant patients to death.


https://www.jccf.ca/alberta-court-o...e-requirement-for-transplant-candidates/

Tom
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Ongoing Inner Conflict NetChaplain Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:04 PM
It is essential that we take a moment to consider the inward conflict of the growing child of God. It may be said, “What if a man knows his sins to be forgiven and more, liberty” (which some call “sanctification,” “deeper life,” etc.), “then, surely, every spiritual desire must be gratified, and thenceforward, till heaven be gained, there can be nothing more to be wished for it.

In things spiritual, as in things natural, when children have grown up to manhood, to ripe age, or, as Scripture says, are “perfect” (1Co 13:10, 11), they do not find that thenceforward there is nothing to do, nothing to suffer. Quite the contrary; in one sense they may be said to begin life only when perfect (mature—NC). Until the great and terrible “I” be held by grace to have been crucified with Christ, the believer can hardly be said to have begun to live the new life in its liberty (possessing salvation but not yet overcoming the “old man’—NC); but liberty obtained, inner conflict is certain to be entered into.

Before we were brought into Christian liberty, the enabling of the indwelling Spirit was not known, but, being delivered from the thrall of the old man, we are in the moral position which should gain the victory day by day. Not that the position itself is victory—it is only the vantage ground for victory; freedom from the domination of sin is obtained by the Spirit (Rom 8:13). Still, it is no little good to know what the vantage ground is, and a greater thing to occupy that ground.

The Spirit of God dwelling within us energizes the desire of the new life which He has implanted in us. He leads to humility, gentleness, and courage, and all in a divine way. We do not mean such qualities apart from the Spirit, which in that case may be merely traits of the Adamic life (the old man mimicking holiness but not genuine—NC).

When our old man stirs us up to desire its old things, the Spirit of God does not remain passive in us, but occasions conflict within: “For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would” (Gal 5:17). He restrains the believer from doing the things which the flesh likes, and constrains him to do the things which the Father loves, and effects this by acting upon the new man (Eph 3:16). The believer is not, and never will be, free from having sin in him in this world; nor will he be free from the danger of committing any kind of evil: and he is never, practically, safe except when he realizes his weakness, and walks in dependence upon the Holy Spirit (ever safe in salvation, but in need of growth—NC).

Should he say, “I cannot help doing evil,” then he denies the Spirit of God in him as the enablement for righteous living, and remains in the mire of sin. Should he say, “I am holy, or spiritual, or heavenly,” and in his heart think of what he is in himself (halted on the thought of being a sinner—NC), then it is the old man at work in another and more dangerous form, and he has denied the Spirit of God in His ability to produce spirituality, and heavenly-mindedness. This last is worse than the first, for the first is unbelief in God and the last is belief in himself (Gal 6:3—NC). The truth is, there is constant conflict proceeding within the growing child of God, and the Spirit is continually restraining from evil, as well as leading to good (retaining salvation while growing in Christ (Eph 4:15—NC).

The flesh in its pride would say, “I can live to God by means of law-keeping and religious observances”; and the flesh in its lusts would say, “I am safe for eternity, and thus can live for myself.” The new life the Father has given us has no affinity for either the one or the other of these evils, and the Spirit of God opposes the flesh in each.


– Henry Forbes Witherby (1836-1907)





MJS daily devotional excerpt for Oct 20

“Faith is dependence upon the Father. And this God-dependence only begins when self-dependence ends. And self-dependence only comes to its end, with most of us, when sorrow, suffering, affliction, broken plans and hopes bring us to that place of self-helplessness where we throw ourselves upon our Father in seeming utter helplessness and defeat. And only then do we find that we have learned the lesson of faith; to find our tiny craft of life rushing onward to a blessed life of fruitfulness and service undreamt of in the days of our fleshly strength and self-reliance.”—Charles Henry Mackintosh (1820-1896)
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Re: What is the Calvinist Remnant jta Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:01 PM
The church I am blessed to attend does value diversity *in Christ.* Meaning we welcome all people who know Christ or are interested in learning about Him, BUT we will not water down the Gospel of Jesus Christ or any other teaching of Scripture, for any reason whatsoever. When the Bible teaches against sin, so do we. We hope God will use it to draw unbelievers to Himself, and believers into a closer walk with Him. Our aim is not to be "popular" but to please God; to glorify Him, edify His people, and proclaim the Gospel to all who will hear.

We love children, practice family integrated worship more or less, and do have Bible classes for all ages, although kids around 12 and up are encouraged to attend the adult classes. But we know that no one including children can be saved apart from Christ, and, as the Bible teaches nothing that hints of an "age of accountability," we don't either.

God has been growing our church through conversions. Most of our new families are either new to Reformed theology, or (almost equivalently IMO) to Christianity in general, and God has drawn them to us because they wish to know and walk with Him.

I am so blessed to be a part of this church, although, because I cannot credibly profess Christ, I am only a regular attender, not a member.
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Re: Homosexuality Tom Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:06 AM
I am glad I studied this issue further.
Other than some of the things Pilgrim already mentioned of which I appreciate.

I thought I would give an example of other things I found.

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Romans is not translated from the Aramaic but rather the Greek which literally says in Romans 1:27 - “men(ἄρσην) likewise abandoning the natural function of women being inflamed in their desire with one another.” No use of the word for homosexual, just the content of it.
The Old Testament passages in Leviticus also are not translated from the Aramaic but rather the Hebrew.
22 You shall not lie with a male(זָכָר) as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Lev. 18:22) (see similar in Lev. 20:13, “if a man (אִישׁ) lies with a male (זָכָר) as with a woman it is an abomination”)
The Greek Old Testament (LXX) translates the word male using (ἄρσην), the same Greek term used in Romans meaning ‘male’.

Those who try to argue for pedophila use an argument surrounding the actual terms for homosexuality (ἀρσενοκοίτης & μαλακός) seek to use extra biblical arguments for etymology to make a case that is relatively new and has never been an argument before modern times.
There are no end to these types of arguments and doesn’t get around the context of the text which in the OT and NT seem to be pretty clear.
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Re: Homosexuality jta Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:05 PM
Homosexual sin has been around for nearly as long as recorded history.

However, I'm pretty sure we live in the only time in history that people claiming to be "Christians" tried to twist the very Word of God Himself to try to defend it.

Lord Jesus, please come quickly.
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Re: Love Jesus Most Pilgrim Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:56 PM
No, I personally have not heard of a pastor doing that. Admittedly, my experience(s) have been rather narrow in scope. giggle However, aside from the many passages which tell us to love God with all our heart, mind and soul, there is quite a number of places in the Epistles which encourage us to keep our eyes fixed upon Jesus. And, our love for Christ is demonstrated when we keep His commandments and they are not burdensome. Methinks that it would be more biblical that a pastor preach the Word in order to bring about the sanctification of the saints, encouraging them to fight the good fight, against the enemies from within and without.

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2 Timothy 3:14-17 (ASV) 14 But abide thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them. 15 And that from a babe thou hast known the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 Every scripture inspired of God [is] also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness. 17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.
Too often, IMO, the word "love" is misused and misunderstood. Love is a motive, not an end in itself. Love is always, according to Scripture, expressed in conformation to God's truth, His law, commandments, precepts, etc. Being conformed to the of Christ is the end goal, yes?! "Romans 8:29 (ASV) 29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:"

After reading the following, who being given a new nature by the Spirit could not love Jesus?

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Ephesians 1:3-14 (ASV) 3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ: 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: 5 having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved: 7 in whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 making known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he purposed in him 10 unto a dispensation of the fulness of the times, to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, [I say,] 11 in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,-- in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of [God's] own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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Love Jesus Most ATulipNotADaisy Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:16 PM
A pastor is continually admonishing his congregation to "love Jesus most." It seems to me that as a Christian you would naturally do this. I realize that sometime we get caught up in the world and what it has to offer. We take our mind off the fact that we are merely sojourners here and our permanent home is heaven. However it almost seems as if the admonishment is to stir us up to try harder as if our salvation depended on our works. Has anyone ever heard of a pastor doing this?
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Re: Homosexuality Tom Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:10 AM
Pilgrim

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You claim to have studied Romans chapter one and parallel passages, etc. yet you admit to being thrown off by some moron who claims all scholars in the past have been ignorant of the 'original languages'. But he/they/it are God's anointed who are bringing forth the lost truth?

I made no such claim that I have been thrown off by some moron. In fact, I tried to tell you that he has not fooled me.

What I did say is because I have no real knowledge of the original languages he made mention of. I am not going to pretend I to; instead I am going to try to research that aspect more.

What I know from experience is that people like that often try to use aspects like that, in order to make themselves look good. However, if one actually calls their bluff and researches the issue; most of the time they are revealed for what they are.

My main concern at the moment, is not for myself. Rather for newer believers, whom this guy is trying to fool. It certainly does not hurt me, to know the issue better either.


The rest of what you said is helpful, thanks.

Tom
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Re: This is not biblical…. ? Pilgrim Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:06 AM
Last, first. smile

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“Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
This is far too often misunderstood and thus used incorrectly as giving parents an assurance that if they are good parents and teach their children, then they surely will be saved, or at least live a moral life. nope The text is actually a warning to parents. The original literally says, "Train up a child in the manner of his own way, and he will not depart from it."

Okay, back to first. You are looking for something in Scripture that shows the working of the Holy Spirit in bringing a child (covenant) or otherwise? That's easy... How about Saul of Tarsus? There is a true covenant child who hated God and especially even the thought that Jesus of Nazareth was God incarnate. Thus he took great pains to hunt down Christians and had them executed or thrown into prison. He knew the Scriptures well, having been a disciple of Gamaliel. Yet because he was unregenerate, his mind could not comprehend the truth and his heart was darkened. He was DEAD in trespasses and sins and under the just judgment of God. But God from eternity had chosen Paul to be His divine ambassador to the truth of Jesus Christ. Yet, it wasn't until God struck Him down on the road to Damascus (regeneration) that being blinded his eyes were open to the truth and he was genuinely converted. It wasn't until after Christ personally taught him for 3 years that he was commissioned to be an Apostle and begin the work for which the Spirit led him to do. (Gal 1:10ff) No regeneration, no faith. Regeneration is an instantaneous working of the Spirit recreating a dead soul, and thus being "made alive" faith no less instantaneously is expressed, being the life-breath of the new nature created. There is no 'delay' between regeneration, repentance and faith. grin
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Re: Homosexuality Pilgrim Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:46 AM
All this is personal and it has NOTHING to do with the truth concerning Romans 1 and homosexuality!! nono

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The original text has to do with pedophilia.
They went on to say, the text literally says: “no man shall lay with a boy.”
What "original text"? NO ONE has the original hand-written letter to the Romans. It doesn't matter if one holds to the Textus Receptus or the Nestle-Arndt text. They are nearly identical and the context as well as the relevant passages clearly speak of homosexuality and not pedophilia. In fact, the Bible as a whole teaches that homosexuality in whatever form is an abomination. This enemy of God can use all the hermeneutical gymnastics he wants, but he cannot get around that homosexuality is against nature itself and condemned by God.

Also, I quoted 2Peter 2:1,2 for good reason which speaks directly to all the personal calamities and rejection of God's truth which you are being faced with. A true Christian cannot... CANNOT embrace homosexuality or condone it or claim Scripture doesn't mention it. A biblical church would more than likely start discipline proceedings against anyone who made such claims and if they refused to repent, they would be excommunicated; their profession of faith would be found false.

You claim to have studied Romans chapter one and parallel passages, etc. yet you admit to being thrown off by some moron who claims all scholars in the past have been ignorant of the 'original languages'. But he/they/it are God's anointed who are bringing forth the lost truth? igiveup

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Galatians 1:6-9 (ASV) 6 I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel; 7 which is not another [gospel] only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema. 9 As we have said before, so say I now again, if any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.
We are living in the last days when many will walk away from the truth for whatever reason, which God has ordained to show His mercy and grace to those who fail not to run the race and face persecution from within the Church and without. Remember how it was in Jesus' day when thousands turned their backs on the Son of God and walked with Him no more because of His hard sayings? And when this occurred He turned to His disciples and asked them, "John 6:67-68 (ASV) 67 Jesus said therefore unto the twelve, Would ye also go away? 68 Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matt 7:14)
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Re: This is not biblical…. ? Anthony C. Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:38 AM
Say for argument sake, the person who I quoted used the phrase, “God the Father reveals Christ in His time”, to describe the phenomenon of a “covenant” child coming to (saving) faith.

I don’t like the phrase, “reveals Christ”, to describe regeneration because it implies that a covenant child was merely not paying attention, almost like in a coma-like state, and never heard Jesus Christ preached from the Word of God….

Is there a better way to express the inner work of the Holy Spirit in such an instance? Is this particular phenomenon directly addressed in scripture?

This is the closest thing I can find to a type of assurance…

“Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
Proverbs 22:6 (ESV)
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