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The 10 Commandments
by John_C - Wed Jul 06, 2022 2:15 PM
Roe is Dead. Praise God!!!!
by Tom - Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:47 AM
Nicene Creed Question
by Tom - Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:36 PM
Coach Wins Case
by Tom - Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:28 PM
There is a Fountain ~ William Cowper
by Rick Bates - Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:35 PM
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Re: The 10 Commandments John_C 3 hours ago
Right, I'm not questioning that. When did Christians begin to use the term, 'Ten Commandments' and why the Protestants and Catholics number them differently?
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Re: The 10 Commandments Pilgrim 4 hours ago
In the first century the Christians and the Jews had Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. The 10 Commandments that were given to Moses on Mt. Sinai were not something new. They were the publishing of the moral law that was resident in the very soul of every human being at conception. (cf. Rom 1:19,20,28-32; 2:11-15: 5:12-14)
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The 10 Commandments John_C 5 hours ago
Recently, I discovered that the Catholics and Protestants list different 10 Commandments. Also, I think the Jews have a different list as well. It might not be such a big deal in that they are combined, not added or subtracted (I think they combine 1 and 2 as one; and they split 10 into two commandments). I'm not sure about the Jews. What I would be interesting in finding out was when the particular groups of 10 were established. Did the Protestant Reformation changed the list, or did the Catholics came about during Trent? Did even Christians have an established list of 10 Commandments during the first centuries of Christianity?
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Re: Roe is Dead. Praise God!!!! Tom 15 hours ago
Pilgrim

Though that is a good question, from the story I heard that was not a viable option.
I suspect however, that although this may be true in some cases. It is probably far rarer than many try to make it out to be and they probably use it to play on the hearts of people for their agenda.

That is why, I really do not trust them. But do not want to rule it out in extreme medical emergencies. That option, in my mind should be the exception, rather than the rule.

I would love to hear experts in the medical community, who are pro-life speak to this issue.

Tom
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Re: Roe is Dead. Praise God!!!! Pilgrim 20 hours ago
Why not choose to do everything possible to save BOTH the life of the baby AND the life of the mother? Why do many make it and either/or decision?
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Re: Roe is Dead. Praise God!!!! Tom Yesterday at 11:54 PM
I just was told about a story concerning the “heart beat law”, by someone who is somewhat happy about the defeat of Roe vs Wade.
She told me that because of the “heart beat law”, a doctor needs to get a judges signature if he needs to terminate a pregnancy because it endangers the women life.

They told of a case where there was a tubal pregnancy where the baby was dying and needed to be removed before the mother was in danger herself.
They told that it took quite long to get a judges signature. They did not know if the mother died, but knew she had serious complications.

In a case like this; should abortion be legal; perhaps with another doctors signature?

One person said that regardless of even if the mother died from complications; under no conditions should they be allowed to abort the baby.

I would not go that far; but I felt that had I said my opinion; they would not have been happy with me.

Tom
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Re: Nicene Creed Question Tom Yesterday at 11:36 PM
That is somewhat helpful.

Your mentioning the word “Catholic” reminds me of a fruitless conversation I had a while back.

Someone who has a huge ax to grind with the word Catholic said that it means the Roman Catholic Church, rather than “universal Church”. Regardless of the fact that many including myself tried to correct him on it. Insisted that we were wrong.

Tom
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Re: Coach Wins Case Tom Yesterday at 11:28 PM
Agreed
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Re: Coach Wins Case jta Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:16 PM
I'd say these are completely different situations.

The Pharisees prayed publicly to gain the favor of other people. This man appears to have prayed to glorify God, in a culture that openly hates Him, probably knowing full well there would be strong pushback, but loving God enough to do so anyway.

As should we all.
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Introductory Essay to "The Death of Death in the Death of Christ" Pilgrim Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:12 AM
This month's article is a very special one for me personally. It sealed my conscience in regard to my being a "black sheep" in my first church and as a new believer who embraced what we call the "Doctrines of Grace". It also motivated me to seek out and read Puritan works, and what the Protestant Reformation was really all about. And most importantly, it made me realize just how indispensable reading God's inspired Word was as a source of truth and knowing the God who had reached down and dragged me out of the pit in which I once lived.

J.I. Packer is the author of this "Introductory Essay" which is probably one of the best of Packer's writings. He shows that John Owen's treatise "The Death of Death in the Death of Christ" is a masterpiece which covers nearly ever facet of the Lord Christ's atonement in detail. And, he exposes the fallacy of the view that Christ died for all yet secured the salvation of anybody. The actual treatise is found in Volume 10 of Owen's "Works" which is a worthwhile challenge to read through as is much of what Owen wrote. I have little doubt that most everyone will truly enjoy Packer's Introductory Essay and perhaps many will be moved in a similar manner by the Spirit to develop a love for the Puritan works but most importantly, to see either for the first time or by renewal the riches of God which is contained in the Bible.

You can read this month's article by clicking here: Introductory Essay to John Owen's "The Death of Death in the Death of Christ".

Or, you can read it at a more convenient time by visiting The Highway website and click on the Article of the Month logo.

In His service and grace,
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Re: Coach Wins Case Tom Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:01 PM
Thanks Pilgrim!
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Re: Coach Wins Case Pilgrim Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:59 AM
Whoever thinks that they have a biblical warrant to impersonate the Holy Spirit and thus be able to know the true motives of that coach is the guilty one!! igiveup
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Coach Wins Case Tom Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:16 AM
Most people probably heard about the Christian high school football coach who was fired for his practice of praying on the 50 yard line on the field after games.
He won his case.

Most Christians see this as a victory for religious freedoms.

However, I read one opinion column; that claimed although it might be a victory
for religious freedom. At the same time the coach clearly violated Christ’s own principle
for private, as opposed to public prayers.
He made the statement that the coach clearly did “this for show, pure and simple” Therefore, he brought it on himself.

I thought this was a rather uncharitable conclusion. But I thought it might be interesting to get others thoughts.

Tom
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There is a Fountain ~ William Cowper Rick Bates Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:35 PM
There is a fountain filled with blood
drawn from Emmanuel's veins;
and sinners plunged beneath that flood
lose all their guilty stains!

The dying thief rejoiced to see
that fountain in his day;
and there may I, though vile as he
wash all my sins away!

Dear dying Lamb, Your precious blood
shall never lose its power;
till all the ransomed church of God
be saved, to sin no more!

E'er since, by faith, I saw the stream
Your flowing wounds supply;
redeeming love has been my theme,
and shall be till I die!

When this poor lisping, stammering tongue
lies silent in the grave,
Then in a nobler, sweeter song,
I'll sing Your power to save!
(William Cowper, 1731-1800)
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First Work, Sins—Second Work, Sin! NetChaplain Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:09 PM
Upon our initial receiving of salvation, our eternal guiltless position in Christ is established, but the conforming of our lifestyle is immature! Thus, the sole issue ever to arise in the Father’s care for us is the progression of our walk, “even as He walked” (1Jo 2:6). This was summed up in the doing of the Father’s will (Jhn 5:30), which is the same for the saints—by the Spirit using the Life of Christ in us via the new nature. This does not design the intention of sinless perfection, but “growing up into Him in all things” (Eph 4:15). Just remember, everything we now encounter is not only foreknown by the Father, but has also been fashioned to “work” for “good” to us; by lesson or expression!
NC







First Work, Sins—Second Work, Sin!



It usually happens, when God is exercising a soul, that He revives it a little; then it falls back again into a dejected state: just as a man who is in danger of drowning rises to the surface and takes a breath, without which he would perish, and then sinks again, for he is not yet on firm ground where he can breathe naturally. So God gives the soul what revives it and it falls back again, until the work is thoroughly done.

When the soul is really delivered, it does not think of its condition, save to judge itself when that is necessary—a very important thing in itself. When the prodigal son found his father, he had not to think whether he would be received or not, nor about his condition, nor whether he was deceiving himself in thinking that he was on the right road. On the way, such questions might well arise; but, once with the father, he had only to think of what the father really was for him, and the way of the father’s acting showed this. So we hear no more of the prodigal son, but of the father, and of what he did.

I do not believe that when people have really got out of Romans Seven they get back into it. One may have truly received forgiveness of sins and had joy; but self is not yet known, and it is necessary to know oneself to be delivered (i.e. not from guilt but from dominion of sin—NC). People are often deceived on this point. The initial joy was well-founded, but it was not deliverance: this joy flows from the forgiveness of sins and not from deliverance from the dominion of sin. Romans up to the eleventh verse of chapter five speaks of the former, sins; from the twelfth verse of chapter five to the end of chapter eight, of the latter, sin.

Having spoken of the joy of forgiveness which you experienced, after having acknowledged everything, God permitted the depression that might know that there was a further work to be done. You are easily elated, and you have lived rather too much on feelings. Now you must come to realize what being in the presence of the Father means. It is not that your joy was not real and true, but that there is more work to be done. Even if some are hard towards you, God uses it for your good. I do not question your sincerity nor your salvation; but God would have us not only say, “We must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ,” but add, “I am manifested to God.” Be much more before Him.

The difference between the condition of Romans seven and Christian liberty is, that in the former case the person has drawn the conclusion from what he is, to what God will be; in the latter, having a real experimental knowledge of himself, and having learned, consciously, that in us good does not exist, we understand first, that we depend upon what God is. Second, that having died to sin, fully condemned in the death of Christ, we are in Him before the Father. Third, Christ being in us, we hold or reckon ourselves for dead, and the power of the Spirit of life enables us to realize this (Rom 6:6-11, and 2 Cor 4:11; Col 3:3).

You are not there yet, but God is working in you to bring you there. The outward humiliation was needful for you, and you must remember that. But in every case, the inward work must be done. The conflict will go on indefinitely; but, until we are delivered, sin has dominion over us; when we are delivered, Christ is our strength. Constant dependence and watchfulness are necessary; we must watch and pray lest we enter into temptation; but then, instead of sin having dominion over us, the strength of the Lord is there.


—John Nelson Darby (1800-1882)





MJS daily devotion for June 17

“In order for our Father to be satisfied with us, He placed us in His Son. In order for us to be satisfied with our Father, we “rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh” (Phil. 3:3). –Miles J Stanford


“On what ground is our faith tested? It is on the ground of our very relationship with God and God’s attitude toward us. The concentration of the enemy is upon that point—to interfere with our link with God.

“What is our link with God? It is this—the Lord Jesus Christ, as the answer to God and to Satan for us. It will never be what we are in ourselves. If you are expecting a day to come when in virtue of what you are in yourself you can satisfy God, you are destined to an awful disillusionment. The day will never come when we can satisfy God in ourselves, not even more or less.”

“How could there be any doubt about the believer’s perfect security if his position in the Lord Jesus were realized? It would be impossible. Can He change? Or will God say to Him, I cannot any longer accept You as standing for this people? Or, once again if standing for them, is He on probation? Is His work completely done, or still to do?” - Frederick William Grant (1834-1902.)
http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
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Re: Nicene Creed Question jta Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:28 PM
Reformed Baptist here (1689 LBC); I skimmed through the article and found it quite good.

It makes the excellent but oft-overlooked point that words and concepts need to be understood in context, including the context of the times in which they were written. I think we intuitively understand this in the context of Biblical exegesis and hermaneutics, and also, by necessity, anytime the word "Catholic" comes up. But it's a broader and more general point that would help us better understand not only the history of the Church, but history in general.

An unfortunately U.S.-specific, but nonetheless illustrative example: "regulate" meant almost the opposite of what it did when the Constitution was written, of what it does today. So one cannot appeal to the Constitution for authority to do things like restrict gun ownership or interstate commerce or free speech. It was written to protect those things, not to grant a totalitarian power to restrict them.
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Re: Preachers of old jta Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:50 AM
If it's our choice, then how can it be Grace?

The many folks who say stuff like this simply do not (yet?) know Grace.

But I still pray that some of them will, after being properly taught and discipled.
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The Spiritual Profit of Larger Submission to God's Providences... Pilgrim Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:34 AM
Larger Submission to God's Providences

It is natural to murmur when things go wrong; it is supernatural to hold our peace (Leviticus 10:3). It is natural to be disappointed when our plans miscarry; it is supernatural to bow to His appointments. It is natural to want our own way; it is supernatural to say, "not my will, but Thine be done" (Luke 22:42). It is natural to rebel when a loved one is taken from us by death; it is supernatural to say from the heart: "The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord" (Job 1:21).

As God is truly made our Portion, we learn to admire His wisdom and to know He does all things well. Thus the heart is kept in "perfect peace" as the mind is stayed on Him (Isaiah 26:3). Here, then, is another sure test: if your Bible study is teaching you that God's way is best, and causing you to submit unrepiningly [without complaint, unhappiness, or discontent] to all His dispensations, if you are enabled to give thanks for all things (Ephesians 5:20), then are you profiting indeed.

More Fervent Praise for God's Goodness

Praise is the outflow of a heart which finds its satisfaction in God. The language of such a one is, "I will bless the Lord at all times: His praise shall continually be in my mouth" (Psalm 34:1). What abundant cause have God's people for praising Him! Loved with an everlasting love, made sons and heirs, all things working together for their good, their every need supplied, an eternity of bliss assured them - their harps of gladness ought never to be silent. Nor will they be while they enjoy fellowship with Him who is "altogether lovely."

The more we are "increasing in the knowledge of God" (Colossians 1:10), the more shall we adore Him. But it is only as the Word dwells in us richly that we are filled with spiritual songs (Colossians 3:16) and make melody in our hearts to the Lord. The more our souls are drawn out in true worship, the more we are found thanking and praising our great God, the clearer evidence we give that our study of His word is profiting us.

A.W. Pink Profiting From the Word - Chapter 2: The Scriptures and God
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Re: Nicene Creed Question Pilgrim Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:39 AM
R. Scott Clark gives a fairly good explanation of the phrase here: Does The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed Require Baptismal Regeneration?. From many other discussions concerning this phrase, I have discovered that Baptists particularly have a very difficult time comprehending it because of their insistence of what baptism means, which I disagree, of course. giggle
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Re: Preachers of old ATulipNotADaisy Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:12 PM
Agreed
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Re: Preachers of old Pilgrim Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:42 PM
Just a rough guess since I haven't read every word written by every Puritan writer et al. However, I can say that from all that I have read of these "preachers of old", the answer would be a resounding:

NO!!
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Preachers of old ATulipNotADaisy Sun Jun 26, 2022 2:04 PM
I am sad to admit that I am not as familiar with preachers of old (in Pink's era and before) as I should be. In light of that would they have ever said things like, "I am so glad I made the choice for Jesus by his amazing grace, and Jesus did his work on the cross for us?"
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Christians are born again of another spirit chestnutmare Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:30 AM
Christians are born again of another spirit, and are different from the rest of the world. They naturally have different attitudes and beliefs that the world shuns. It is the spirit of a true godly man to prefer God in all other things in heaven or on earth.

~ Jonathan Edwards
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Nicene Creed Question Tom Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:56 AM
I have a question that apparently there is a fair amount of debate commenting a line in Nicene Creed.

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We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins

Many seem to say that this is baptismal regeneration.

Can anyone more familiar with the Nicene Creed clear this up?

Tom
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Re: Roe is Dead. Praise God!!!! Tom Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:43 PM
You are correct, this is good news. It now makes it up to each state to decide whether they want to murder the unborn or not.

I would not be surprised to see riots on the issue soon.

Tom
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