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Agree or Disagree and Why?
by Tom. Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:09 PM
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Theology Discussion Forum
4 hours ago

I found a 2009 discussion between a Postmillennial (Doug Wilson), a Historic Premillenialism (Jim Hamilton) and Amillennialism (Sam Storms); with John Piper as the moderator.
https://youtu.be/W75bzrvJtLs
The discussion is over 2 hours long. So, I would actually like to forward it until about ½ way. Sam Storm says something that actually made things heat up.
1:15:22 Storms “if Rev 20 teaches a pre-millennial view as you (Hamilton) articulated, I’d have to abandon biblical inerrancy”...
As I think about Revelation chapter 20, it seems that in most discussions on eschatology press on. Especially Historical Premils against Amils.
I was wondering if I could get a few opinions of this spirited discussion between Hamilton and Storms.
By the way, if it is possible please try and forget who these people are. Rather, think about how they represent their various positions. Even though I consider myself Amil; I have a few problems with all four people in certain areas.
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Theology Discussion Forum
Wed Oct 17, 2018 2:09 AM
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It has been discussed and debated before. There are lots of good people on both sides, i.e., if one is kind enough to include me in one of the groups.
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Lol, the thread I was looking at came from way back in 2005. That was a pretty spirited debate in which you and Joe (I miss him) made a good case for your position.
For the most part however, the other side didn't actually deal with your argument, but kept hammering with their argument.

By the way, the quote I started this thread with; came from somebody I usually agree with.
Tom
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Theology Discussion Forum
Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:09 AM
Originally Posted by Tom

Just a small edit. This topic has been discussed before on the Highway; and I should have probably revealed that. However, I thought before I say more, I would give others a chance to chime in. By the way Pilgrim, I am in agreement with you on this topic.

yep It has been discussed and debated before. There are lots of good people on both sides, i.e., if one is kind enough to include me in one of the groups. giggle.

For those who haven't been privy to this debate let me just expand on the first item mentioned in the quoted section, "The first Adam was only innocent, and so he could be corrupted.

1. The reason Adam could be 'corrupted' wasn't because he was created "only innocent". Scripture records God's own words in regard to Adam's creation as being "very good". The theological phrase used to describe Adam's condition at creation and before the Fall is "passe peccare, passe non-peccare, but non passe non peccare, i.e., "able to sin, able to not sin, but not the ability to never sin". Adam had no propensity to sin since his nature was upright in every respect.

2. And, just a reminder of the fact that sin did NOT originate with Adam but Satan. If someone has a difficult time trying to figure out how Adam could transgress the law of God because his nature was pure and holy, take a moment and compare the fall of Satan and all the other angels that followed him. There was no internal nor external influence or temptation as there was in Adam and Eve's case. wink
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Theology Discussion Forum
Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:02 AM
Susan
As I was reading the information you had concerning "cosmic child abuse". Perhaps it is no coincidence but Emergent Church leader Brian MacLaren said that if the traditional understanding of the cross is correct, then God is guilty of cosmic child abuse.
I wonder if there is a connection between Chalk and MacLaren?

Tom
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Theology Discussion Forum
Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:45 AM
Would you agree or disagree with the following?

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The first Adam was only innocent, and so he could be corrupted.

But the second Adam, Jesus Christ, was divine, and so could not be corrupted, regardless of Him putting on flesh and blood.

There are some that may think that it was possible for Jesus Christ to sin, but this isn’t so.
The nature of man, flesh and bmlood, was governed by the divine nature of Christ.
Christ did not put on corrupted flesh. His flesh was not fashioned like ours is, but was fashioned in the womb of a woman by the Holy Spirit.

Some may say “Well, He was tried like us in all areas, and so why would He be tried if it weren’t possible for Him to sin?”

But does putting a 100% pure block of gold in a furnace mean that any percent of that block of gold can be found to be impure?
Of course not. A pure block of gold is tried only to show that it is pure, and the fact that it is tried does not mean it must have an impurity.

Christ was that pure gold, being tried by the same fiery temptations as us, but only able to come out pure. There was never any impurities in Christ that could be purged from Him.
All of His trials were only to display how glorious He is.
Ours are to display how glorious we aren’t, moving us to glory in the one who is glorious.

Tom

Just a small edit. This topic has been discussed before on the Highway; and I should have probably revealed that. However, I thought before I say more, I would give others a chance to chime in. By the way Pilgrim, I am in agreement with you on this topic.

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Open Forum
Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:47 AM
Jump to new posts ADHD [by Tom]
Today during worship service, I sat behind a family whose teenage son (nearly 6’ tall) was disruptive. I could tell his parents were agitated and felt helpless; they even tried to discipline him. During the sermon, their son said loud enough for many to hear “this is so boring!”
After the service, I talked to his dad and told him I was praying for him and his family. He told me his son has ADHD and though it doesn’t excuse him, his mind doesn’t work normal. His dad told me that he appreciates my prayers.
I am assuming his parents are actively seeking solutions for their son and I do not want to make them feel unwelcome in Church. However, his actions made it very hard to concentrate on the sermon.
Does anyone reading this have any knowledge of ADHD and how one might help a family like this?
I am going to be looking to see if there is anything written by Dr. Jay Adams on the subject. But, I thought it might help to make this enquiry on The-Highway.
Thanks
Tom
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Open Forum
Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:53 AM
I believe the couple who lost the child were professing Christians.
I kept my mouth shut during that conversation, because to do so, would be going against the group.
I am not saying that compassion and prayer should not be offered as well. However, it seems to me anybody with a high view of Scripture, would appreciate Scripture in times of morning and or troubled times.
In fact, it sure was to me is my health crisis.

Tom
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Open Forum
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:12 AM
Yes and No! evilgrin

Yes, IF the couple who lost their child were professing Christians, then Scripture is more than appropriate.

No? but yes, if the couple were not Christians, it would be inappropriate, for what comfort does Scripture bring to those who are under the wrath and just judgment of God? The answer is the Gospel is what they would need to hear, but propriety would dictate that the appropriate time would be after some time during their period of grief. Offering to help them through their grief on a "human" level (loving your neighbor as yourself) is certainly something Scripture requires of all who have received the boundless love and grace of God in Christ Jesus.
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Open Forum
Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:06 PM

A while ago I was with a group of Christians who were discussing the resent death of a friend's baby.
One of the men shared how someone who meant well quoted Romans 8:28 to the mother of the baby.
He said that he felt like punching the person for saying it.
As I thought of that, I am reminded of some time ago, when I was in hospital for 10 days. I was very sick and had no idea if I was going to live or die. One of the things I remember during that time was that very Scripture, Romans 8:28 and a few other verses I had committed to memory because I couldn't even read my Bible. That verse was an enormous comfort to me, as I contemplated on it's truth.
My question, seeing how everyone in that Christian group agreed with him that it was very inappropriate to quote Scripture to a mother in morning. Were they correct?

Tom
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