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49 minutes ago
Originally Posted by Tom
I watched a broadcast with James White interviewing Jeff Durbin on the controversy this caused.
Tom


What broadcast was this? Is there a title to the episode that I can look up to watch? I assume you watched this on YouTube?
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52 minutes ago
Originally Posted by Tom
When I used the words "So do I", I thought I was being clear that I agreed with Pilgrim.

Tom


I apologize Tom, I wasn't meaning to argue, although...


Originally Posted by Tom
So do I, though I do know that ones testimony of what the Lord has done in a person's life can be powerful.

Tom


The bold word here and what was said thereafter led me to believe you were saying that one's testimony was equivalent in "changing power" as the Gospel. Though here has the same effect as but, if I'm not mistaken. I do, however, sincerely apologize if I misread what you said or misinterpreted what you meant. hugs hugs

I only meant to clarify..
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1 hour ago
Originally Posted by Pilgrim
2. Music may consist of both lyrics and tune or just the tune. Music which Scripture enjoins must be in accord with the divine attributes of God, aka: to glorify God. It is a serious error to embrace the modern concept of that command; to glorify God which has been turned upside down and now it is said to mean whatever an individual feels (emotionally) or intends (purpose), which God will always accept. This is blasphemous on its face and a violation of the 2nd and 3rd Commandments. Man has no warrant to define what God accepts, e.g., God will accept something offered if it is done sincerely, etc. Most forms of contemporary music are odious to God.

Again, in the Calvinism and the Reformed Faith > Ecclesiology section, see the list of articles under the "Music" heading for a good start on what a Christian should be embracing, both in their personal sanctification and in corporate worship.


I have to admit, this offends my human sensibilities... which probably means there's something to what you're telling me here comfort

Thank God I have His Spirit to give me the wisdom to see that! bingo

Thank you for pointing this out. I think I'll continue to listen to what I listen to for now, for the content is still better than other trash I could be (and want to be, for I still like some secular music, but try to shy away from it) putting into my ears. But I now will surely be looking into this new light of information. Thank you!
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9 hours ago
A friend of mine (an aquantance from work), just e-mailed something to me and I am wondering if this information is legit? This person apparently has taught history classes on Parthia and a few other ancient civilizations. (the blank spots below have maps; which I did not include, because I am not sure how).

Numerous of the Apostles went to Parthia where the 3 Wisemen came from, when one checks out the history of these Wisemen. They were sent from the Royal family of Parthia Religious Court. Jewish historian Josephus said that at the time of Christ, Israelites were like the sand in the sea and the Israelites were so numerous east of the Euphrates River. Which was the border between Rome and Parthia for centuries.

Of course secular historians always play down Parthia.







Interesting that Andrew went to Sogdiana which is Bactria or part of Afghanistan.
It is recorded that King Solomon visited this area 1,000 years pervious.
Afghanistan is named after the Israelís first King Saul grandson Afgani who was in charge of the Israelite Army under King Solomon.

Here it shows the travels of Thomas crisscrossing Parthia and Kushan Empires.




Where they came for Pentecost...







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13 hours ago
When I used the words "So do I", I thought I was being clear that I agreed with Pilgrim.

Tom
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Yesterday at 11:56 PM
AMEN! If I have a little more free time, I will expand on the problem with "testimonies". The Apostle Paul is perspicuous as to the God-ordained means of saving sinners, and it is NOT by listening to someone's personal experience, aka: testimony since every sinner is called under different circumstances which God has by His eternal council brought to pass.

Here is what the divinely inspired Paul wrote:

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Romans 1:16-17 (ASV) "For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith."

Romans 10:6-10 (ASV) "But the righteousness which is of faith saith thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (That is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach: because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Ephesians 1:13 (ASV) "...in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,-- in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,"

1 Thessalonians 2:13 (ASV) "And for this cause we also thank God without ceasing, that, when ye received from us the word of the message, [even the word] of God, ye accepted [it] not [as] the word of men, but, as it is in truth, the word of God, which also worketh in you that believe."
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Yesterday at 11:44 PM
1. The Colossian text, in its most fundamental meaning is a warning to not be convinced by anyone that you must adhere to the OT dietary laws or celebrate the OT festivals in order to be saved and/or to be deemed a "good Christian". FYI, the phrase "or a sabbath day" is actually plural in the original and refers to the various 'sabbath days' of the OT and NOT to the Sabbath Day which is inextricably bound to the 10 Commandments and is based both upon creation and redemption and is thus binding upon all mankind.

2. Music may consist of both lyrics and tune or just the tune. Music which Scripture enjoins must be in accord with the divine attributes of God, aka: to glorify God. It is a serious error to embrace the modern concept of that command; to glorify God which has been turned upside down and now it is said to mean whatever an individual feels (emotionally) or intends (purpose), which God will always accept. This is blasphemous on its face and a violation of the 2nd and 3rd Commandments. Man has no warrant to define what God accepts, e.g., God will accept something offered if it is done sincerely, etc. Most forms of contemporary music are odious to God.

Again, in the Calvinism and the Reformed Faith > Ecclesiology section, see the list of articles under the "Music" heading for a good start on what a Christian should be embracing, both in their personal sanctification and in corporate worship.
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Yesterday at 09:05 PM
Originally Posted by Tom
So do I, though I do know that ones testimony of what the Lord has done in a person's life can be powerful.

Tom


True, but maybe only as it may bring them to a point of consideration. But only the Gospel has the power to bring about the pricking of one's heart for regeneration into salvation.
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Yesterday at 08:44 PM
Originally Posted by Tom
I know Jeff Durbin has been attacked quite harshly by Pulpit and Pen (I would stay away from Pulpit and Pen) concerning things like alcohol.
Tom


Did not know this. And yes, I've gathered that P&P aren't very good.

Originally Posted by Tom
I watched a broadcast with James White interviewing Jeff Durbin on the controversy this caused.
This just might have something to do with why Jeff Durbin spoke on that topic?
Tom


Jeff Durbin is someone the secular world would term alcoholic or addict. However, being a Christian, he identifies that as a category of sin, and essentially is misguided worship. His church began when he was a chaplain at a hospital working with addicts and alcoholics, and are those very people with which his church is primarily comprised. Of course, there are members now who haven't come from addiction, but also the other various ministries he's involved with, such as the EndAbortionNow movement that he started. So, the reason behind discussions with Jeff involving alcohol or addiction stem from his past. Just an FYI moment joy

Originally Posted by Tom
I think it is a good idea to listen to Jeff again, to understand the full context.


I will do this tonight and get back with ya afterward! peace I may have mistook him thinking he was referencing exactly from scripture. I know I didn't get this idea from nowhere. But maybe I'm misunderstanding what he said, or is it possible that what he said was meant exegetically?
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Yesterday at 06:05 PM
I know Jeff Durbin has been attacked quite harshly by Pulpit and Pen (I would stay away from Pulpit and Pen) concerning things like alcohol.
I watched a broadcast with James White interviewing Jeff Durbin on the controversy this caused.
This just might have something to do with why Jeff Durbin spoke on that topic?
I think it is a good idea to listen to Jeff again, to understand the full context.
Tom
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Yesterday at 05:25 PM
Originally Posted by Pilgrim

Colossians 2:13-23 (ASV) "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's."
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What exactly does this amount to expositionally? (actual word?) giggle

Also, when I refer to private/personal worship, I think what I mean is in reference to music. Do all things to the glory of God, right? So in my choice of music day to day, as I listen, my heart and mind begin to literally direct those lyrics (those that are not in contradiction to Scripture or heretical, as most mainline and mainstream Christianity and Christian music are) toward God. Whether those lyrics are expressing characteristics of God or praising him for, well, basically any reason, really. All this while I'm walking somewhere or going on a jog or working out. In this respect, is there anything wrong? (I think this has, all along, been the main point of my question(s))
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:58 PM
Originally Posted by ReformedDisciple
If I understand correctly, corporate worship and praise are meant to be done exactly as God says explicitly, but in personal praise and worship, we are allowed to be more expressive? <<I'm thinking of our freedom in Christ.

Yes to the first part.... corporate worship is to be in spirit and TRUTH, i.e., nothing is to be done in the formal worship of God which is not specifically set forth by God Himself. There are things which are given in a broad sense, e.g., there is no mandate for the people of God to meet at exactly 9 am EST. There is no regulation as to how many Psalms, Hymns or Spiritual Songs are to be song, or the length of a sermon, etc.

However, in "personal praise" as you have chosen to call it, you are ONLY "free" to do that which God has deemed "good". There is NOTHING that is neutral, i.e., neither good or bad. Everything falls into only 2 categories: good or evil. If it is good, then God has stated so and thus it is proper for a true Christian to say, think or do. But even that is regulated according to the doctrine of Christian Liberty. See these, for examples:
- Christian Liberty by A.W. Pink
- Freedom in Christ by G.I. Williamson
- The Weak and the Strong by John Murray

Anything which is not "good" is sinful and thus is forbidden. Scripture gives some specific examples of those things which are forbidden. And, Scripture also sets forth principles which cover everything else.

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2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (ASV) "Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity? or what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what portion hath a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement hath a temple of God with idols? for we are a temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore Come ye out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, And touch no unclean thing; And I will receive you, And will be to you a Father, And ye shall be to me sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

Colossians 2:13-23 (ASV) "And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, [I say], did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses; having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross; having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's. Let no man rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshipping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he hath seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast the Head, from whom all the body, being supplied and knit together through the joints and bands, increasing with the increase of God. If ye died with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do ye subject yourselves to ordinances, Handle not, nor taste, nor touch (all which things are to perish with the using), after the precepts and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility, and severity to the body; [but are] not of any value against the indulgence of the flesh."

1 John 2:15-17 (ASV) "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the vain glory of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:36 PM
Originally Posted by ReformedDisciple
[quote=Pilgrim]
See also, The Marks of Neo-Liberalism.


Just read this. I need to do more research because I am quite astonished to find out what was said about Van Till, and Bahnsen if I'm not mistaken? Also, RC Sproul Jr too? Did Sr know about this? Anyway, Van Till and Bahnsen are both on my reading list for apologetics, esp. in presuppositional apologetics. This is the first I've heard anything about them in a negative light. I understood them to be giants in the Faith.[quote]
I've spoken with Dr. Elliott personally and we agree to disagree re: his criticisms of Van Til. I'm not saying that Van Til didn't hold to some error... who doesn't? rolleyes2 Bahnsen, of course, was very good in the area of apologetics, but his "Theonomy" was tragically bad theology. I enjoy eating the fruit but spit out the pits, if you know what I mean. :grin And lastly, re: R.C. Sproul, Jr. is a sad case and his father's failure to distance himself from him is unfortunate. Rarely can you find second, or third generation progeny of 'giants in the faith' that are like their parent(s).

Originally Posted by ReformedDisciple
As an aside, the part about Luke 5:31-32, correct me if I'm mistaken but something occurred to me whilst reading this article. It's this: That "righteous" and "sinners" here refer to a mindset or characteristic, in that Jesus is not saying that there are righteous people, but making a distinction between those who think they are righteous/good and those whom the Spirit have humbled and convicted and know they are sinners. Would this be a correct theological view or exegesis of this particular scripture?

yep And this is truth that is today often ignored or flatly denied. What I'm referring to is what is referred to as a "credible profession of faith". A sinner who has been visited by the Spirit of God, through the instrumentality of the Bible and its truth brought home to bear upon the soul, is first convicted of their sin. What the regeneration of the spiritually dead soul by the Spirit reveals to the sinner is that he/she is a vile creature before God and has never had a good thought, never spoken a good word and never done a good thing since conception. And, that born again sinner is smitten through and through with the burden of guilt duly acknowledged for being such a corrupt and God-hating person and thus worth of eternal damnation by God. How often have you heard anyone speak of these things in these terms in regard to their professed conversion? How often, if ever, do you hear preaching that presses this truth home from the pulpit? How many books have you read that even mentions such things? drop This, my friend, is a fundamental element of the Gospel which the modern 'church' knows little about and when it is mentioned, it most always is met with strong resistance and rejection.

Want a excellent example? grin

1 & 2 The Strength of Sin
3 & 4 The Strength of Sin
5 & 6 The Strength of Sin
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:53 PM
Originally Posted by Pilgrim


Just read this. I need to do more research because I am quite astonished to find out what was said about Van Till, and Bahnsen if I'm not mistaken? Also, RC Sproul Jr too? Did Sr know about this? Anyway, Van Till and Bahnsen are both on my reading list for apologetics, esp. in presuppositional apologetics. This is the first I've heard anything about them in a negative light. I understood them to be giants in the Faith.

As an aside, the part about Luke 5:31-32, correct me if I'm mistaken but something occurred to me whilst reading this article. It's this: That "righteous" and "sinners" here refer to a mindset or characteristic, in that Jesus is not saying that there are righteous people, but making a distinction between those who think they are righteous/good and those whom the Spirit have humbled and convicted and know they are sinners. Would this be a correct theological view or exegesis of this particular scripture?

Thanks!!
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:44 PM
Okay, I think I understand the issue. Sort of like OT players who made offerings and sacrifices to God that God never said he wanted. (It's a shame how much of my bible I'm still not familiar with, or rather, only barely familiar with) The example I'm thinking of is during the time of David. I believe it may have been King Saul? Anyway, I believe I've made my point. grin

If I understand correctly, corporate worship and praise are meant to be done exactly as God says explicitly, but in personal praise and worship, we are allowed to be more expressive? <<I'm thinking of our freedom in Christ.

FYI, I've yet to read any of those links. I'll do that now thewave
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:26 AM
Originally Posted by ReformedDisciple
Originally Posted by Pilgrim

5. A rejection of the "Regulative Principle of Worship" which allows for basically anything to be included in the worship of God, including such things as heavy metal rock music, liturgical dance, plays, etc., etc., ad nauseam.


I have to admit, I'm in favor of variety in Christian expression... is this acceptable but different than in the context of worship during church?

Also, what's liturgical dance?

1. The biblical doctrine of "The Regulative Principle" of worship simply stated is, Man is not to worship God by any means whatsoever which God Himself has not commanded man to do. This Regulative Principle addresses not only the outward/physical manner of worship, but the content of that worship and even the very soul of man, i.e., what a man thinks, desires and does 24/7 and particularly when man gathers together for corporate, formal worship.

2. The true worship of the one true God encompasses all of life, both individually and corporately. This can be described as separation [from the world] (cf. Jh 15:19; 1Cor 10:1ff; 2Cor 10:1-6; Col 2:8,9; Heb 12:28,29; Jam 4:4; 1Jh 2:15,16; et al.

3. There are quite a number of articles on The Highway that deal with the subject of worship and of separation. Here are a few suggestions for you:
- The Scriptural Regulative Principle of Worship
- The Reformers and the Regulative Principle
- Worship in the Melting Pot
There are many more articles on worship and the elements of worship, e.g., music, etc. which you can find here: Calvinism and the Reformed Faith > Ecclesiology.

On the matter of daily living, aka: sanctification, the daily worshiping of God in everyday life, living separate from the world, click on the "Praxis" button in the Calvinism and the Reformed Faith section.
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Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:55 AM
Originally Posted by ReformedDisciple
Yeah... I've looked at those. I need to re-watch the video I heard it mentioned in. "Powerful talk on overcoming addiction" by Jeff Durbin. He makes the connection that Alcoholism (formerly known as drunkenness) is idolatry, and therefore not a "disease" but instead a form of sin and a worship problem. Essentially 'misguided worship'.

Calling drunkenness, idolatry, is a bit of a stretch, IMO. The Bible doesn't associate drunkenness with idolatry and I find no biblical warrant to do so. To use Mr. Durbin's hermeneutical gymnastics one could make the case that an excess of or strong affection or even attraction for anything could be called "idolatry" because you aren't 100% given over to loving God and Him alone with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. The biblical teaching is that idolatry is substituting a man-made god, whether physical, intellectual and/or emotional, for the true living God. And in doing so, exalting whatever it may be to the status which belongs to God. Paul wrote that sinful man exchanges the truth for a lie and worships a false god of their own making.

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Romans 1:18-25 (ASV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves: for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature [that which was created] rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:14 PM
So do I, though I do know that ones testimony of what the Lord has done in a person's life can be powerful.

Tom
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:42 PM
I thoroughly agree with Pilgrim's response
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:38 PM
Yeah... I've looked at those. I need to re-watch the video I heard it mentioned in. "Powerful talk on overcoming addiction" by Jeff Durbin. He makes the connection that Alcoholism (formerly known as drunkenness) is idolatry, and therefore not a "disease" but instead a form of sin and a worship problem. Essentially 'misguided worship'.

I had someone ask me to show them where it was at in scripture calling drunkenness idolatry..
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:26 PM
Originally Posted by Pilgrim

5. A rejection of the "Regulative Principle of Worship" which allows for basically anything to be included in the worship of God, including such things as heavy metal rock music, liturgical dance, plays, etc., etc., ad nauseam.



I have to admit, I'm in favor of variety in Christian expression... is this acceptable but different than in the context of worship during church?

Also, what's liturgical dance?
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:50 PM
Thank you crazyeyes
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:37 PM
FYI, on this discussion board you have 6 hours open time to Edit: add to, correct, modify, etc., any new post or reply. Thus, you don't have to do post a reply to yourself if you wish to edit within that 6 hours. wink
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:19 PM
Also, is the firstthings.com a Catholic site?
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Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:27 PM


this article states, near the end, that the bible does not condemn homosexuality as an abomination... yet my bible (ESV) does. confused confused
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