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As one who holds to the belief that only elect infants are saved, I appreciate your difficulties in this matter, since I too have had to work through the issue. I would not have used the particular passages you mentioned, but they are interesting points. It is most unfortunate that several of the leaders of the church propose the view that all infants are saved and that very few if any church leaders bother to oppose this idea, I say it is unfortunate b/c it means we have to think for ourselves. Speaking of thinking though, I am very fond of something I believe Luther is quoted as saying, "I cannot believe anything if I am not convinced of it by scripture and plain reason." the point being that we can argue from the Bible a great many things and be "biblical" but not be right or true b/c we do not bother to be certain our beliefs are logically consistent with our other beliefs. I'm not saying this is what you're doing, though I'm certain other persons on this thread have made inconsistent statements.
If God is about the task of saving someone from every tribe and nation and people and tongue then it also backs up that some will be saved b/c infants can be considered another group. Also, (this is where the logic comes in) if we call this doctrine UNconditional election, then the fact that all infants are elect or all infants are not elect would be in contradiction with this UNconditional Election, as I believe it was Susan said earlier, Salvation is all of grace, so that God alone gets the glory.
We must consider the implications of what we say before we give a position. I was disheartened to see over the summer that Al Molher of Southern Seminary made a statement that all infants go to heaven, then I checked John Piper's site and while Mr. Piper was a great deal more consciouss of the facts he also said that the salvation of some infants was a premature conclusion and he went on to quote another pastor to make his case for all infants being saved. I find this to be sad, and it got me a bit hot under the collar so I spent several weeks on the subject, wrote a 15+ page paper on the issue. I never bothered to send the paper due to being side tracked, but I cannot escape the conclusion that if nothing else Calvinism can only agree with the salvation of elect infants.
I hope something in this post is helpful. I encourage you in this and other studies.
-Brother Luke
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