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Could you show from scripture that man has free-will?
MGM
Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk.
Risk? Risk what? Didn't God know the outcome already?
Let it not be thought that the Arminian by his doctrine escapes limited atonement. The truth is that he professes a despicable doctrine of limited atonement. He professes an atonement that is tragically limited in its efficacy and power, an atonement that does not secure the salvation of any. He indeed eliminates from the atonement that which makes it supremely precious to the Christian heart. In B. B. Warfield’s words, ‘the substance of the atonement is evaporated, that it may be given a universal reference’. What we mean is, that unless we resort to the position of universal restoration for all mankind--a position against which the witness of Scripture is decisive--an interpretation of the atonement in universal terms must nullify its properly substitutive and redemptive character. We must take our choice between a limited extent and a limited efficacy, or rather between a limited atonement and an atonement without efficacy. It either infallibly saves the elect or it actually saves none." (Murray, The Reformed Faith and Modern Substitutes, in The Presbyterian Guardian, 1935).
How do you make the atonement both universal
AND vicarious?
MGM
God foreknew that man would fall, and thus, in eternity past he purposed / determined to send his Son into the world in order to save the world (Jn. 3:16; Acts 2:23).
If Gods purpose was to save the entire world, did He fail? Or are you supporting a
merely possible salvation?
God bless,
william
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