Doulos mentioned June Cleaver and Harriet "from that other TV show," but the reaction to those stereotypes has taken us to the opposite extreme: from "Father Knows Best" to father is always the biggest idiot in the house <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/doah.gif" alt="" />, even dumber than the family pet <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/moron.gif" alt="" />. And for the women of course there's the newest hit "Desperate Housewives," where suburban women shop, whine, fornicate, shop, whine, and commit adultery with underage boys --- we've come a long way baby! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cheers2.gif" alt="" />