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Kathy said:
Here is where I am in response then...

The Effectual Call... Regenerative Grace
... the ongoing Grace given to those who respond.

I understand this... but I didn’t think this is what Calvinism is saying at all.

Further... in my own understanding (to date)... which does disagree with what (I think) Calvin-ism says relating to the heart of this discussion in entirity... below:

GRACE... can be frustrated.
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nope.gif" alt="" /> You misunderstood what John wrote. Effectual Grace, aka: Irresistible Grace is not "ongoing Grace give to those who respond", but to the contrary, it is a special, sovereign, deliberate, specific and prior act of God's grace, whereby the sinner is regenerated and effectually brought to faith in Christ. God is ALWAYS the grand Initiator of every act in salvation; not man and then God responding. In a more earthy style, God is the Thermostat and men are thermometers.

Saving grace cannot be "frustrated" because there is nothing man can do to possibly effect God's sovereign design and purpose. (cf. Ps. 110:3)

In His grace,

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