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Sproul gave an analogy (from my modified memory) in class that I believe really helps “somewhat.” God knows the future in more than one way. He can know the future because He has determined the future and He can know it as a spectator. Suppose you are standing at the corner of the roof atop a multi-story building. As you look down to the street below, you see two runners on the sidewalk. One of them is approaching the edge of the building below you from south to north. The other runner is approaching the edge from west to east. They cannot see each other because their view is obscured by the building. From where you are standing you can see that the two runners are going to collide (you know the future as a spectator). They are a split second away from crashing into each other. They crash as you knew they would. The analogy suggests a human way of knowing the future without causing or forcing the future to happen. (Of course, all analogies are imperfect. It is possible that one of the runners will step into a manhole just before he reaches the corner, etc. Thus, our knowledge (but not God’s) of the future is therefore not really certain). However, the point of the analogy is simply to illustrate that we can have knowledge of future events without causing those future events. However, we must also realize that from God’s perspective He is the mover of these events. If He had not willed that the two runners to collide, they never would have. It is God (through more than likely secondary and not primary causes) that gave both runners an interest in running (according to their nature), that they would be running a specific route on a specific day and time, etc., etc., etc. Thus, God does not need to “force” the future “immediately,” (i.e. violate man’s will), but “may” merely watch (but is still involved, transcendent, but immanent) as His eternal plan unfolds. Of course, He as God may intervene in anything … Our freedom of the will and God’s sovereignty are “compatible.” God has made timeless decisions out of time (foreordain all from creation) and sees them unfold in time without violating the freedom of man's will and yet is still sovereign "over all." You may enjoy John Frame’s article, “ Determinism, Chance and Freedom”
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Is compatibilism the only true Calvinist response?
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