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li0scc0 said: Regeneration is fully, 100%, God's work. It is irresistible, and is a raises us from death to life. Regeneration is a work that produces faith - God regenerates us and we believe. It renews us, and changes our will.
You can look at regeneration from God's point of view (as presented above), in that it is fully God's act, which comes before faith, and has the sinner, who IS elect, as the object. You can also look at regeneration from man's point of view, in which conversion is included and then is the result of faith. I.e. from man's point of view, we believe, and are converted.
The above is where I would stand on Regeneration. It is very similar to the viewpoint of the Dutch Reformed Theologian GH Kersten, albeit using my own verbiage (as I don't speak Dutch... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ) Well as Pilgrim says you can always tell a Hollander but you can't tell him much. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> Tough room, tough room. Okay all levity aside now that I've seen your definition, which at least tells me that we are on the same page when we are talking about the new birth. Would you not agree that the new birth creates new desires into the person that it occurs in? And these desire are directed toward God? And that while there may be lean times over all there will be a progressive growth toward putting to death sin? So this constant growth is in my opine evidence that someone is a Christian. Sort of along the lines of "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. (Joh 14:23 ESV)
Peter
If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
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