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john said: However, is this the line of reasoning that Christians should really be following? I think that the most appropriate proof that God exists is Scripture because it is God's testimony about himself. John, Okay, let's take your objection and follow it through (presuppositional apologetics technique  ) and see where it leads. Romans 1:18-21 (ASV) "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; because that which is known of God is manifest in them; for God manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, [even] his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse: because that, knowing God, they glorified him not as God, neither gave thanks; but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless heart was darkened."
In the passage above, Paul argues NOT from Scripture, i.e., the inspired Old Testament but from nature itself by bringing forth two major tenets: 1) The existence of God is known individually, personally and internally, i.e., in one's mind and conscience from the very fact that man is created in the image of God; God's self-revelation to the soul (manifest IN them). 2) The existence of God is known empirically, i.e., through physical perception of the creation itself. Thus ALL men are held guilty of denying God's existence intellectually and/or practically because they inherently know that He exists. To deny the existence of the one true God as He has revealed Himself is to consign oneself to futility, illogical and irrational thinking and a life of sin.
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