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hisalone said: Re-read Jude verse 6 and 7 together, it suggests that these fallen angels who left their first estate entered into sexual immorality. 1. And I am convinced that the "angels impregnating human women" is indefensible when I look at a) the Hebrew text, b) the grammatical structure c) reading the commentaries of conservative Hebrew/OT scholars, and d) using the Analogy of Faith (comparing Scripture with Scripture).  2. Re: Jude 6 and 7: Jude 1:6-7 (ASV) "And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire."
There is absolutely NOTHING whatsoever in these two verses to even suggest that angels are capable of having sexual relations with humans, never mind having done so. A cursory reading reveals that the fallen angels left their "principality", i.e., their appointed places being in subjection to God to do that which was pleasing to Him; His will. Secondly, the text clearly says that God has kept them in "everlasting bonds under darkness" until the Judgment, thus they are hardly free to do as they wish including having sexual relations with human females. Thirdly, the mention of Sodom and Gomorrah is to show that "likewise" those HUMANS who left their appointed places being in subjection to God to do His will (obedience to His holy law) are suffering the punishment of hell. The "likewise" is referring to the punishment rendered and not to the sins committed. The angels transgressed in their particular way and those of Sodom and Gomorrah transgressed in their particular way, both suffering similar punishment which was due them. Again, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that angelic, non-corporeal beings, are capable of sexual acts never mind doing so with human beings. The very idea is pure silliness, but worse yet to arrive at such a view requires linguistic suicide and a deliberate wresting of Gen 6:1-4. That men have done so is admittedly a sad thing. In His grace,
simul iustus et peccator
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