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hisalone said: As for God being grieved that He made man, this view helps us understand Gen. 6:6 better. He was grieved because of what the fallen angels had done. Their actions required Him to destroy the whole race except for Noah and his family. This was another verse that I had difficulty with, but it makes more sense now. That is a conclusion based upon your presumption of angels copulating with human women which produced alleged creatures (demons). But in fact, it was the depravity of the entire human race which began with Adam's transgression which grieved God and which precipitated the flood. God continues to be grieved over the depravity of the human race even while no such "creatures" which you have postulated exist. And further, the human race will once again be destroyed due to its sinful depravity but by fire and not water. (2Pet 3:1-7) hisalone said: I believe it is to big a leap to make me change my view, for me, Seth's line is a ridiculous interpretation. Perhaps you are putting too much emphasis upon "Seth/Sethite" and/or not understanding what is being said by those who hold to the historic view? All that is being offered is the truth that there are two "lines", i.e., groups of people among the entire human race. There are those who are chosen of God, the elect, who are brought to faith in Christ and who are kept until the day of redemption. These are those who are so often referred to as "saints", "sons of God", etc. They are those who live holy lives, albeit imperfectly and hunger after righteousness. Then there are those who are reprobate, those left to their depravity to live out their lives in total rebellion against God. They are often referred to as "evil", "wicked", etc. This is foundational Reformed Theology. It is this biblical truth which we believe is being referred to in Gen 6 and not some fanciful idea that angelic beings married human women, had relations with them which resulted in some alien offspring; call them Nephilim (already soundly refuted since they already existed) or demons of whatever. The great weight of biblical teaching lies with the two "lines" which begins with Gen 3:15 and ends with the glorification of the saints and the damnation of all others; angels and humans alike. I do believe there has been sufficient biblical evidence offered to both defend the historic view and to refute the view you are currently embracing. Truly, at least in my own mind, it must take far more stretching and wresting of the Scriptures to hold to Brown's view than it does to embrace the "two lines" view, aka: Covenant Theology. If I had to provide an example between the two it would probably be similar to the difference between Evolution and Creation. For me, it demands for more presumption and "faith" to hold to Evolution than to a God-created universe. May the Lord give you wisdom in this matter and guide you in "rightly handling the Word of Truth". In His grace,
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