<br>Howard,<br><br>I wouldn't say that Arminians do not know what sin is. Take my former pastor for instance. He would confess to me that had God not overcome his rebellious heart sovereignly he would never have come to saving faith. With respect to himself and probably others, he acknowledged that God irresistibly saved him. What he failed to confess is that God is not trying to save everybody. His problem was that he would not accept the necessary consequence of his true "experience". In other word, he refused to conclude that since he needed God’s operative grace, then all men do. He would not say that those who perish God withheld grace from, though he would admit that he himself needed such operative grace. Do you see the difference between muddled theology and consistent heresy? <br><br>We need to be careful not to confuse the gospel with the finer points of the theology. There are certain propositions we must believe in order to be saved; but a perfect understanding and embracement of the five points of Calvinism are not among them. We might keep in mind that every time an Arminian prays for another person he is acting like a Calvinist. In a word, most “Arminians” are better in practice than in creed. It’s the super-consistent Arminians that concern me the most.<br><br>Ron<br>