Jason<br>I do apologize if you took that as an insult. I can assure you it was not meant in that tone at all.<br>I think in my own life I worked very hard at making our children feel as though they were not in the middle of a raging battle, but rather to have their lives as "normal" as possible, even though we were divorced. I also worked extemely hard at making sure the children not only honored him, but obeyed him when he even tried to make them obey. God is gracious in that we have very wonderful and well behaved children, and the issue came from the fact that their father did not want to be dad, but buddy. However, he was their father, and to this day make sure their very speech honors him, and if he were to ask them to obey, I would encourage them to heed his counsel. My youngest is 17, so we are almost finished with children at home.<br><br>I would have to defer the question about affairs and children obeying the guilty party who has been under church discipline to someone else. You bring up a good point, however, since most churches don't discipline, I do not know.<br><br>Linda<br><br>