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I have decided that instead of not voting in the upcoming presidential election, I will cast my vote behind someone who does have some integrity and will at least have the same ideology as me. He may not get elected, but I will vote my conscience and know that I have done the right thing. Any else here sick and tired of just having a two party system? This year I'm voting the Constitution party ticket.<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> http://tinyurl.com/2vs72 Sorry folks, but I'm not going to be Bush whacked again. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> peace
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If any would like to know what the Constitution Party stands for, check this out: http://tinyurl.com/22ann God bless
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For all its worth, your vote will go to Kerry. If you think you have been Bush whacked, and their are some valid points with that view, wait until Kerry implements his policies. One issue that I would be afraid of is that a Democratic majority with the prodding of the NEA, homeschooling may become in peril.
Maybe some of our Canadian friends will give insights in what to expect with a liberal/socialist government.
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I'm glad 4Ever that you changed your mind and decided to vote. All Christians need to vote!! And who would be our President today if the Christians wouldn't have gotten out with the last election?? That's a scary thought huh?
Yes I totally agreed with John C. we must stick with the ones who at least are out there fighting gay marriage, abortion, etc. And as a homeschooling mom, yes, that issue to concerns me. It is so obvious the "liberals" (on the most part) are not out for our good.
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Quote: For all its worth, your vote will go to Kerry.
I beg to differ sir, but I will not vote for either Bush or Kerry. And if voting my conscience means Kerry will win, then so be it. At least I know in my heart I voted for the right person. That is one reason I am sick and tired of just having a two party system of No choice. Maybe if more Christians got off their [img]https://the-highway.com/Smileys/censored.gif[/img] and voted for someone other then who the "Republican" machine propped up every four years, maybe we would see some changes taking place here. Lord willing that is. Don't mean to sound mad, I'm not, but I get sick and tired of this, "lesser of two evils" bunk I keep hearing from Christians who think it's their duty to vote the Republican ticket out of fear the Dems may get in office. here is a man runing on the very values that we as Christians are looking for but no one wants to give him a chance out of fear of taking votes away from Bush, the Islam lover. go figure.
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I am sorry if that last post sounded angry. I really wasn't. Any way if voting for Michael Peroutka takes votes away from Bush then it will even out any way with Ralph Nader taking votes from Kerry. The way it looks, more green peace liberals will stand up for what they believe and vote their conscience so Bush will probably win either way. LOL http://tinyurl.com/3dq2qGod Bless
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John
"homeschooling may become in peril"
Is there something you know that I don't? I live in Canada and have friends who homeschool their children.
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I browsed the site to see about Patrioski (sp) Christiantiy. I cannot find where he attends church. I see where Steve Wilkins of Auburn fame supports him and that he spoke at a UMC church, plus I recognize Kirby Anderson as one of the numerous radio programs that he has been on.
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Tom,
Not really, just conjecturing.
I know that, in general terms, the NEA disapproves of homeschooling. Since the NEA is one of the largest special interest groups of the Democratic Party, and that the NEA has more member delegates to the Democratic National Cconvention than any other organization. I would think that the Dems would do all that it is political feasible to curtail the homeschool movement.
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When the Democrats were in last time, did they threaten homeschooling? If so in what way?
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Remember the Dems did not control the legislature during Clinton's 8 years, except possibly the 1st two. I'm assuming that if Kerry wins the Dems will definite get a majority in the Senate; it will be harder for them to win the House.
Of course, all my conjecturing is based on the Dems having a working majority, which btw the GOP does not enjoy.
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I'll have to check into that, but even so, Bush who does go to church and claims to be a Christian has time and time again proven himself to be false. example: http://tinyurl.com/3au7kHow many god's does our Christian President believe in? can a person praise Allah and still be a Christian? I wonder.
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One example of Mr. Bush's duplicity:
DENOUNCING THE PRESIDENT BUSH'S SHINTO SHRINE WORSHIP The Korean Church together with the Japanese Church is shocked and frightened at the act of the President Bush's shrine worship at the Meiji Shrine in the morning of Feb. 18, 2002 upholding the flag of the so called a Christian justice and a superpower, for it is an act of idol worship breaking the first, second, and third commandments of the Christian faith. We strongly denounce it.
The President and Mrs. Bush entered into the Meiji Shrine together with the Shinto priest and bowed a big ceremonial bow and worshiped idol. Even though the Premier Junichiro Koizumi was originally to accompany the President Bush, he did not accompany and worship because he was said to have worried about the critical public opinion of the Japanese. Yet, the President who claims himself a Christian committed the sin of idol worship defying the strong warning and advice of the Japan Evangelical Association. The act was also an act of betrayal cruelly breaking down the honorable Christian tradition cherished by many Korean, Japanese and Asian Christian believers going through various sufferings over against the Shinto shrine worship.
The Japan Evangelical Association announced a statement of denounce on Feb. 19 as the followings. We regret very much that the President Bush defied the warning and advice of the Japanese Church. We question and doubt about the personal faith of the President. We denounce the self-justified American way of thinking of indifference and insensitivity to the people of the world. We especially denounce Mr. Bush's words and acts of defiance about the feeling and sentiments of the Korean people. We worry that Mr. Bush's act of Shinto shrine worship might justify the act of Shinto shrine worship and thus weaken the Christian cause in Japan.
The President Bush also did wrong in that he upheld high the militaristic and capitalistic flag of a so called a just superpower, took a self-justified and autocratic attitude of ruling, condemning and punishing the world at random and thus intensified the conventional cold war spirit. We wish that the Bush administration would recover the Christian spirit of faith exalting God as well as the Christian spirit of love embracing the poverty and disaster of the world before taking an attitude of punishing evils. We pray that the United States of America today would be born to be the USA of the past which did shine the light of hope and love to the world.
February 19, 2002 Rev. Kim Ki Soo, president of Christian Council of Korea (cck@cck.co.kr)
Rev. Kim Myung Hyuk, chairman of Korea Evangelical Fellowship (mhkim7@unitel.co.kr)
Prof. Son Bong Ho, chairman of Christian Ethics Movement of Korea (giyunsil@cemk.org)
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Just curious about something. When Pat Robertson was allegedly running for President of the USA, he had a strong contingency among many Evan-jelly-cals. They would have voted for him on the singular basis that he was a professing Christian. Personally, I have no doubt that Robertson was probably the least qualified individual to ever run for the office and would have brought the country into ruin, humanly speaking, of course. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Now, there are all these reports about Bush's dissimulation, idol worship, etc., which probably have some truth to them. As to Bush actually being a truly regenerate man, well. . . I wouldn't bet on it myself. BUT... the question is, should Christians vote for an individual on the basis on his (I didn't include "her" because I don't believe a woman should be the head of a country) alleged profession of Christianity? Or, should Christians vote for an individual who is qualified to occupy the office and also has a commitment to those morals and ideals which are most closely aligned to the law of God and the Christian worldview?
I will say right up front, that I would vote for a "good pagan" who has the qualifications for the Presidency before I would vote for any Christian who had no clue how to run a country. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> All that to say that I couldn't care less about whether Bush is a true Christian or not. What would matter to me is whether any of the other candidates and their platforms are feasible. Anyone can claim that they would overhaul the system. But how likely is it that any of their radical ideas could be accomplished? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/Ponder.gif" alt="" />
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Hi Janean, <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> is Bush against abortion? Im not too sure about that. Check this out: http://tinyurl.com/2cn3u Peace.
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