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Here is the official report.

The financial issues are sad enough. I didn't know there were theological concerns as well.


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Very sad, especially concidering what a great man of faith his father is.

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I own two Ligonier video tapes, “Training up Children” and “Bound for Glory” that are done by R.C. Sproul Jr. I really like him in these and I was pleased to see that he was going to “take up the rains” for his father. I also have the DVD “Amazing Grace” where R.C. Sr. and Jr. are both in and again, I was very pleased with R.C. Jr. So It was discouraging for me to read this and I just hope this doesn’t effect his participation in his ministry at Ligonier.

I wonder what is practiced at St. Andrews, his father’s church and what R.C. Sr. really holds to concerning paedocommunion? It’s still discouraging though to see a situation where because of one’s own personal beliefs there was a disregard for authority.

I just hope and pray that R.C. Jr. repents and continues to serve God as he’s been led to do. He seems to be a very godly man that cares for family and church values and I would hate to see his presence go.

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Here is the announcement from the Highland Study Center
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As many of you have read, Dr. Sproul Jr., along with the entire session of Saint Peter Presbyterian Church, has heard from the moderator of the Westminster Presbytery of the Reformed Presbyterian Church, General Assembly, that they have been deposed from their offices as elders in the church. This action was taken without a trial, indeed without even a conversation. We disagree with the action taken, and are considering our options as to how to respond. What we will not do is take shots against our accusers over the internet, and would encourage you not to do so, either. Please be patient, and please pray for the peace and purity of the church.
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And see here for more information on this sad turn of events, which I think was long overdue: http://hushmoney.org/R.C._Sproul_Jr._disclaimer.htm


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Well I'd like to see what Senior has to say on this. It does look bad.


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I have a feeling that you will not see what Sr. has to say about this matter, it is his son after all.
But I am fairly certain that he is in communication with jr. about the matter.

I would however be interested in knowing if RC Sproul Sr. has written any articles on the doctrinal matters of this issue.

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Let us you pray for our elders, our deacons, and our pastor. Lets pray asking God to be with them. Let us pray and ask God in our own lives, for the grace of repentance. For it is to a repentant people that God promises the gift of pastors after His own heart.


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There is scheduled a Ligonier Conference in March in Orlando with Sinclair Ferguson, Ligon Duncan, John MacArthur and - R.C. Jr.!!!!! Does anyone know of any recent changes in the speakers?


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Don't know of any changes; but there are 3 other scheduled speakers:

RC Sproul (Sr)
Ken Jones
Joni Earecksen Tada


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Just interesting

Paedocommunion was the universal practice of the Church until the late medieval period (c. 1200). It is attested at least as far back as Cyprian (c. 250), and is witnessed throughout the centuries following (e.g. in Augustine, Leo the Great, etc.). [For a Catena of Quotations click here.] It dropped off in the Western Church due to a combination of factors (such as superstition regarding the sacramental elements, and the view of the bishop as the conveyer of the Holy Spirit, so that confirmation could not be conducted by a mere priest at baptism, but had to be accomplished by the bishop). (For more, see Lee's article, linked at left.)
Biblically, paedocommunion is supported by the status of children within the covenant. Even as God counted Abraham's offspring as His own, and therefore required that they be circumcised (Gen. 17), so too Jesus assumes a priestly role in relation to the children of new covenant believers, and calls them the heirs of the kingdom (Matt. 19:13-14).
What is perhaps most surprising is that many (indeed most) who hold to infant baptism nonetheless reject paedocommunion. They suggest a cleavage between the two sacraments. Biblically speaking, however, the two sacraments are tied together very closely. Baptism incorporates one into Christ and His Church (1 Cor. 12:13). Meanwhile, the Lord's Supper is precisely the meal of the Church. The Church is the one body together precisely because it partakes of the one bread together (1 Cor. 10:16-17).
Consequently, just as the children of the old covenant were admitted to the sacramental communal meals of the OT (such as Passover), so too the children of the new covenant belong at the table of the Lord. This is the position of a growing number of Presbyterian and Reformed scholars and pastors, who are recognizing the profound biblical foundation that underlay the historic practice of paedocommunion.


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They are now free to move to another church body. I wonder if they are heading to the CREC.

I thought under discipline, officers would need to go through a time of counseling and mentoring before full restoration.

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Independent of the theological and financial concerns, the allegations suggest that R.C. Jr. and company exercised (or attempted to exercise) excessive control over the congregation. Is this in fact the case? It sounds a bit like the old "shepherdship" movement of the 70's that was popular in some charismatic circles.

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Independent of the theological and financial concerns, the allegations suggest that R.C. Jr. and company exercised (or attempted to exercise) excessive control over the congregation. Is this in fact the case? It sounds a bit like the old "shepherdship" movement of the 70's that was popular in some charismatic circles.
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