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#33387 Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:49 PM
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Hey am I the only Southern Baptist on this site? I'm just curious and don't begin to throw things or spit on your monitor's if you didn't know. If you're afraid to admit it I don't blame you if you don't post it. I'd like to ask you to PM me, though. I've got a question or two for you, or you all as the case may be. Thanks a bunch!


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Hey am I the only Southern Baptist on this site? I'm just curious and don't begin to throw things or spit on your monitor's if you didn't know. If you're afraid to admit it I don't blame you if you don't post it. I'd like to ask you to PM me, though. I've got a question or two for you, or you all as the case may be. Thanks a bunch!

I'm a RB but I've never been a SBC although i can say I have had pastors that were SBC.


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I am an RB who is a member of a Reformed SBC church.

But I think my days in the SBC are numbered. I watched the 2006 SBC annual meeting online this past week, and I was extremely disappointed by it. I think a day is coming when Calvinists in the SBC will either have to leave or "put up and shut up."


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I see by your profile that you are a pastor in training where are you studying?


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I hear that the bloggers--particularly the reformers--really rocked the SBC this year. Plus they were scolded by someone for spending so much time blogging when they could be out on the street corner preaching.

Do you all know any reglar non-pastoral or Dr. types that do any blogging?


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Al Mohlar blogs Albert Mohler's blog. Tom Ascol of the Founders blogs Founders Blog and even Fred Butler here of the Highway blogs Hip and Thigh but of course the last two were pastoral types. So I guess they don't count although if you are not reading Fred's blog your really missing out.

Oh and I blog too Peculiar Baptist and I am neither pastor nor doctor.


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Our dear Sister Kim who happens to be one of the Moderators here on the Highway also blogs. She's got a blog worth reading called Hiraeth. Check it out.


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Aw, thanks, Wes. For the plug, but most especially for the "our dear Sister Kim." That made me feel all happy! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" />


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I call myself a reformed baptist, but I go to an independant fundamental baptist church. Not sure how long I'll be there though. I just found a reformed baptist church here in the area! I am going to go check it out.

Oh, and I don't blog.. I don't have time! LOL

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I was a Southern Baptist the first 25 or so years of my life. I think it would be difficult for me to go back to a Southern Baptist church now, although I have many great friends who are. Although I doubt I will become a member of a Baptist church again, if I did, it would have to be a fairly reformed Baptist church.

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I am an RB who is a member of a Reformed SBC church.

But I think my days in the SBC are numbered. I watched the 2006 SBC annual meeting online this past week, and I was extremely disappointed by it. I think a day is coming when Calvinists in the SBC will either have to leave or "put up and shut up."

Hi Marie,

As a former SBC member, I'm curious what happened at this year's meeting that has you so disappointed. I assume it must be something new or you would have been disappointed in the past. If this is going off-topic for the thread, we can move it somewhere else.

John

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John,

First, the "debate" that was supposed to happen between Dr. Al Mohler and Dr. Paige Patterson on Calvinism ended up being a mere dialogue called "Reaching the Lost through Differing Views on Election." No real Scripture was debated, it was just a statment of what each one believed.

Secondly, most of the speakers made shots at Calvinism, whether it was "Note it says Jesus died for the WHOLE WORLD!"or "We need to leave these side-street issues!" I'm naming names:

Dick Lincoln (called our doctrine of election "insidious"),

Johnny Hunt (not as bad as other things he's said about Calvinism- he's the one who made the whole world comment),

Ed Young ("I'm not a Calvinist, I'm not an Arminian, I'm a Baptist!" "I don't hold to systematic theology, I hold to Biblical theology!")

Morris Chapman (said Calvinism is ok to debate in academia but not ok to discuss in churches)

Tirdly, while Tom Ascol's resolution on integrity in church membership was struck down (they even struck it down before the convention could vote on it!), a resolution passed that condemned the use of alcohol and ruled that members of institution boards and appointed officers cannot use it.

Fourthly, the whole manner of the convention was focused on evangelism somehow being the main duty of the church. It was a "if we are not focused on evangelism as a priority then nothing else matters" mentality.

As some needed correction to all this, you can listen to Roy Hargrave's excellent sermon An Idol Called Evangelism


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Marie,

Thanks for the details.

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John,

First, the "debate" that was supposed to happen between Dr. Al Mohler and Dr. Paige Patterson on Calvinism ended up being a mere dialogue called "Reaching the Lost through Differing Views on Election." No real Scripture was debated, it was just a statment of what each one believed.

Secondly, most of the speakers made shots at Calvinism, whether it was "Note it says Jesus died for the WHOLE WORLD!"or "We need to leave these side-street issues!" I'm naming names:

Dick Lincoln (called our doctrine of election "insidious"),

Johnny Hunt (not as bad as other things he's said about Calvinism- he's the one who made the whole world comment),

Ed Young ("I'm not a Calvinist, I'm not an Arminian, I'm a Baptist!" "I don't hold to systematic theology, I hold to Biblical theology!")

Morris Chapman (said Calvinism is ok to debate in academia but not ok to discuss in churches)

I find this very disappointing. It's sad that the whole debate has shifted to where things like "who did Jesus die for" is considered a "side-street issue".

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Tirdly, while Tom Ascol's resolution on integrity in church membership was struck down (they even struck it down before the convention could vote on it!), a resolution passed that condemned the use of alcohol and ruled that members of institution boards and appointed officers cannot use it.

Fourthly, the whole manner of the convention was focused on evangelism somehow being the main duty of the church. It was a "if we are not focused on evangelism as a priority then nothing else matters" mentality.

To be honest, I don't find these last two very surprising. In all the SBC churches I have attended, the use of alcohol was never considered anything except a sin. In fact, from the pervasiveness of that view in the churches I have attended, I just assumed (obviously incorrectly) that the SBC as a whole considered the use of alcohol as a sin. Hence, I assumed that members (and much more the leadership) would not be allowed to use alcohol as it would be indicative of a willful disobeying of God. As for evangelism, it also seemed to be the main goal of the churches I attended.

I agree with all your concerns, however, and will pray that God will give you wisdom in your decision to stay or leave the SBC.

John

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