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The tribe of Dan is missing from Revelation 7. And, Joseph and Manessah are included (but not Ephrian). What is the reason?
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John, That's one of those questions which much speculation is to be found. Personally, I think Philip Mauro has a reasonable and worthy explanation. Here is a short quote from his full explanation which you can read here: The Opening of the Seals. The list of the tribes as given in Chapter VII presents a striking peculiarity. Although the company is said to be “of all the tribes of the children of Israel”, yet in the list that follows, the tribes of Dan and Ephraim are omitted altogether, and the number twelve is made up by including Joseph (along with Manasses his son) and Levi. This peculiarity is enough in itself to indicate clearly that we have here a symbolical and not a historical “Israel”. For while it might be possible, though not easy, to suggest a reason why Joseph and Manasses should be named instead of Ephraim and Manasses (who are never separated in any other enumeration of the tribes), it is not possible, on the theory that this is the literal Israel, to account for the complete omission of the tribe of Dan. All attempts to do so have conspicuously failed.
But if we regard this vision as being, like all the others, composed of symbols, then we may hopefully look for an explanation of the peculiarity referred to. My suggestion is that the desired explanation will be found in the meanings of the names of Jacob’s twelve sons. In His grace,
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I dont know if this link is any good to you or you are asking the question for disscussio purposes. But you aroused my curiosity and i came up with this. Hope it might help! http://www.hope-of-israel.org/i000035a.htm
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Hey, thanks for jumping in and trying to help answer John's question. But did you take the time to check out what that "Hope of Israel" website teaches on other things? They are a non-Christian group. They deny that Jesus Christ is God incarnate, etc.. check out the articles in this section on their website: Nature of Yeshua the Messiah. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes2.gif" alt="" /> In His grace,
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haha, point taken my friend. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
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As Fruchtenbaum aptly indicates, Dan is left out for the symmetry of 12. In other places in the Scriptures, one of the other tribes is left out to keep the symmetry of 12.
Grace is not common.
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That still doesn't explain why Dan. Why not another tribe. Why Joseph and Manesseh, not Ephraim and Manesseh.
Symmetry is nice, but symmetry for the sake of symmetry cannot be the answer, can it?
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Frankly the answer is we don't know. Why is Dan left out here but in other passages (that a PreMillennialist would say refer to the Millennial Kingdom), Dan is included?
Why in all passages referring to the tribes, 12 are included, meaning one is eliminated. A different tribe is eliminated each time.
Thus God knows the reason. There is nothing in the text that indicates the 'why'
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From Albert Barnes commentary on the bible: It has been supposed by some that the name Dan was omitted because that tribe was early devoted to idolatry, and continued idolatrous to the time of the captivity. Of that fact there can be no doubt, for it is expressly affirmed in Jdg_18:30; and that fact seems to be a sufficient reason for the omission of the name. As being thus idolatrous, it was in a measure separated from the people of God, and deserved not to be reckoned among them; and in enumerating those who were the servants of God, there seemed to be a propriety that a tribe devoted to idolatry should not be reckoned among the number This will account for the omission
Peter
If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself. Augustine of Hippo
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