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First, I should ask this. Are Pentacostals and Charismatics synonymous? I assume there must be some difference because of the different names, but are they big in nature?

I get the impression that many in the AOG are mostly orthodox in their doctrines which separates them from the others (P & C). The reason why thinking that is that many years ago I listened often to a Dr Bronson (I believe) on Sunday mornings while getting ready for church. I could find very little to disagree with him and he seemed very reasonable in his sermons. i enjoyed listening to him. I think he preached the national sermon for the AOG at the time from its Springfield HQs. I know there are those like Swaggert in the AOG, but are there factions within the AOG that are at odds with one another?


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The Assemblies of God is a Pentecostal denomination. One of several Pentecostal denominations (Church of God, Salvation Army, Church of God in Christ, Church of God of Prophecy, several more). All of them have roots in the "holiness" movement, and in Azusa Street "revivals" that were condemned by just about every other denomination that existed at the time.

One of the distinctions of the Assemblies of God is that they believe that speaking in tongues is the "initial evidence" of Holy Spirit baptism, which they distinguish completely from Holy Spirit indwelling.

The Charismatics, on the other hand, are people in and from non-Pentecostal denominations who believe in Pentecostalism. They can be found in just about every denomination and even many non-Christian sects that claim to be Christian (Roman Catholicism and Mormonism for example). Their beliefs on Holy Spirit baptism and the charismata (gifts of the Spirit) vary widely among Charismatics. The great majority of independent (non-denominational) Charismatic churches are basically Pentecostals who want to avoid denominational affiliation. There are loosely-knit Charismatic denominations (they won't call themselves denominations, but that is what they are) like Calvary Chapels and Vinyard Churches.

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John,

Pentecostals and Charismatics differ mostly over whether speaking in tongues necessarily accompanies the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Both groups believe that Holy Spirit baptism is a "second grace" subsequent to conversion, but Pentecostals believe that speaking in tongues always accompanies Holy Spirit baptism, whereas Charismatics do not typically hold this view. Pentecostals, much more than Charismatics, will divide tongues into 2 or 3 categories: 1) Holy Spirit baptism tongues, 2) personal prayer languages, and 3) prophetic tongues which are known human languages.

A couple of other things tend to distinguish Pentecostals from Charismatics. Pentecostals usually have a more "traditional" camp-revival syle of worship, although this is fast disappearing; and they have typically placed much more emphasis on refraining from cultural vices, like smoking, consuming alcohol, dancing, movies, etc. Also, as Robin points out, Pentecostals usually have their own denominations, where Charismatics can be members in just about any denomination (Roman Catholic, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, etc.) or else participate in loose associations or are completely independent. The Assemblies of God are officially Pentecostal but there is a lot of influence from Charismatics and probably a good number of A/G churches are more Charismatic than they are Pentecostal. I was raised in the A/G but I'm not aware of any factions as such within the denomination.


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Are you sure about the Salvation Army being Pentecostal?
The first Church I ever attended was the Salvation Army over 29 years now. It was far from a Pentecostal Church and though I did run into a few Charismatic officers in the denomination, they were very rare. In fact it was looked down upon.
Back then, I would call their worship more in line with liturgical, but I understand that in many Salvation Army local Churches today, contemporary worship is the practice.

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Tom,

I'm not sure myself whether Salvation Army is Pentecostal, although I know they are definitely from the Holiness movement.


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Ditto, above. A google search tells more about its roots and its doctrine.

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From what I gather from the limited reading I did, by my Google search. The Holiness movement has its roots in Methodism with John and Charles Wesley. Pentecostalism is just one of the movements that sprung from it.

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Just wondering - Wesley or Keswick. Or did Keswick come out of Wesleyism. Would the Nazarenes (or is it Nazarines) be conisdered charasmatics? I know they are holiness.

Still in thinking back upon it, I was impressed with the teaching of Dr Bronson on Sunday morning radio broadcasts. He was definitely not what we hear today.


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Have a look at this link .
I would not concider the Nazarenes Charismatic.

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Yet in a way they can be considered at least "Charismatic friendly" because of their position (and writings) on what they call "second blessing" - Spirit baptism subsequent to conversion and indwelling of the Spirit.

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The term "Charismatic" as I understand it, refers to a movement, not a denomination. It is a broadly defined term that refers to people who believe that the charismtic gifts are still extant, that is, speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues, and prophecy. They also tend to get into strangeness like "slain in the Spirit" or "spiritual laughter" etc.<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/excitedgrn.gif" alt="" /> Charismatics tend to be more about emotions, feelings and outward manifestations that other Christians. The Charismatic movement cuts acress many denominations, and there is even a Charismatic movement within Roman Catholicism I am told. But AOG and Pentecostals tend to be Charismatic.

The "name it and claim it" or Word of Faith movement (Hinn, Copeland, Meyers, Osteen, et al.) that has done much harm to the church (in my opinion) was spawned by the Charismatic movement, including the AOG. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

As for the orthodoxy of the AOG, it depends on how you measure orthodoxy. The AOG is full-fledged Arminian, even holding to the most odious of Arminian tenets, that a Christain can lose their salvation.


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