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#38277 Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:19 PM
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I ran into a friend of mine that I have not seen for some years on www.myspace.com the other day.. and I am quite concerned about her.

My wife and her approached the alter at a summer camp a few years back together to talk to one of the camps pastors about accepting Christ. They both talked with the pastor and that night they went with our own youth pastor to actually pray with him to accept Christ..

They then were both baptized a few weeks later and all was good. Anyway, she moved away from the city with her family and I did not see her again. According to her myspace page she is now a "wiccan". So my question is this,

Is it possible that she was never really saved? I saw her the night that she "accepted" Christ and she seemed so sincere, but it may have just been a "caught in the moment" kind of thing. Can an unregenerate (I hope thats the right term) even "fake" an acceptance of Christ?

I want to offer her some words of encouragement to come back to the truth, but I dont know what approach to take.. The few messages we have shared over the last few days or so lead me to assume that she is very upset with God.

Any ideas?

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Clint:

The question should not be, can a person who prayed to receive Christ actually not be saved, but rather how can a person who is a wiccan (i.e. a witch) be a Christian at the same time. I cannot imagine how a person could be a genuine Christian and also a wiccan! If we are saved by God's grace, then we will perservere in the faith by God's grace, and that excludes becoming a witch. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/bingo.gif" alt="" />

As for your quandary over her earlier apparent conversion to Christ, I would remind that we are not saved by praying the "sinner's prayer" or "praying to receive Christ". Nowhere in the Bible do we find the altar call or a salvation prayer used in evangelism. (The altar call method was invented by Charles Finney in the 18th century...Finney's theology was Pelagian/heretical as I understand it). While these methods may be helpful in providing a sense of closure and assurance to the new believer, they do not save. We are saved by God's grace through genuine faith; that's it. I have seen statistics that show that a fairly large percentage of people who come forward for salvation at big stadium evangelistic crusades never darken the door of a church afterward. This tells us something, I think.<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/scratch1.gif" alt="" />

So yes, not only is it possible, it is almost assured that your friend was simply caught up in the moment, or looking for "fire insurance", but did not have genuine saving faith. There is no such thing as a Christian witch.

Only God know the heart, but so far as you are concerned your friend should be treated as an unbeliever, and evangelized accordingly. She cannot be encouraged to "come back to the truth" that she never truly believed. Just share the gospel with her in a loving and respectful way, and if she is openly hostile, then back off and do not "cast your pearls before swine."

I hope this helps.

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This really does help a lot.. I understand that the "prayer" in and of itself is not the saving, and that it is the actual believing that Christ is Lord of all and is the only way to be saved.. My interactions with her "back in the day" if you will, would have seemed that she believed in this truth. She was part of the same youth group I was and therefore I spent much time around her, and she actually had for a while turned from things she used to do.(ie: marijuana, sex, sneaking out at night, ect).. She had once told me (after her "conversion" that she had the desires to do these things still, but found herself NOT doing them.. (I thought that she was finally starting to be separated from her old lifestyle.) Then she moved away and became wiccan.. I would have never meant my quandary to come off as trying to pass her as a "Christian wiccan" as much as it was just me asking if it was possible that she never believed.. I guess I should have added the part about her behavior differences in the first post, because that would have made a huge difference I think.

That is what led me to think that she was saved because if I understand correctly.. An unregenerate person, could not stay away from the sins they were bound to, ESPECIALLY not if they still had the desires that they had. I say this is extremely true in her case. Anyways, your post was a big help and I thank you.. I will still treat her as the unbeliever and try to gently offer her the Gospel again. Maybe she has just strayed farther than I have ever seen her? Maybe she never believed.. I pray that she may come to truth again, or for the first time.. Thank you again!

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I think many new coverter need time to get their mind renewed, and some are quick and some take time to learn how to walk in the spirit and not in the flesh or old life.
But many has made the decission to accept Christ as their Lord and are really born again.


But, if I clearly taught elsewhere that repentance/belief alone was sufficient no one would think coming forward is necessary for salvation,or water baptism is necessary for salvation.
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Do you believe going forward (to the front of the auditorium in response to an "altar call") is necessary for salvation??

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Do I find it necessary? Not at all.. I never went to the front of an audience or auditorium or anything and yet I would say that my salvation is just as real and authentic as the next.

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Clint,
Your friend is really blessed to have someone such as yourself who cares. You say you haven't seen her for quite a while so it's difficult to know what has gone on in her life to cause her to identify herself with this group. Ultimaterly God alone knows who is saved and who is not. You only know that I, or Jim or anyone else is because we say so. Keep her in prayer and you and your wife spend time with her if possible, just as Jesus and the disciples did with those who were lost but seeking, and let her experience your Christian love. That sort of witness is very effective. If the Lord has chosen her he will use you both toward that end. There is planting and watering but sometimes the commitment comes after an appointed amount of time. Remember that no matter what we do it is God who gives the increase.
I'll keep you in prayer Re: your ministry to your friend,
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They both talked with the pastor and that night they went with our own youth pastor to actually pray with him to accept Christ..

Sorry.No ideas..just a few simple realities.None chooses Christ.You don't choose HIM,rather HE chooses you(John 15:16).Was she caught up in the moment or faked it?
Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world (see Acts 15:18)
Does this mean she is a reprobate? That's not for us to ponder (see Romans 8:33)
If it is in fact her foreordained portion to be drawn to the truth, then it WILL HAPPEN...PERIOD!!!Maybe not when, where or how WE expect...but invariably in accordance to the counsel of the Father's will (Eph 1:11)

Therefore supplicate the mercy of God. For yourself, your friend and all HIS creation.Remain intransigent in the belief that HIS grace is sufficient and that, through the effusion of the Savior's blood,victory is the portion of the elect,already!


Submitted in the name of Him which hath redeemed the elect, Eric Wells,Protestant Laird of Glencairn

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