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MarieP said: It actually says a lot that the EPC is much more conservative than the PCUSA...
The EPC's that I've known of are basically your average white bread "evangelical" (Beth Moore, Rick Warren, et al). IIRC they allow women to hold office and one church I know of even has a priest play their organ and even preach from time to time... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/flee.gif" alt="" /> Marie I have been hearing the name Beth Moore a lot lately, even in the Church I attend, because the ladies in the Church are using a film series by her for Bible study. But I don't know anything about her, can you tell me something that is wrong with her. There must be a reason you mention her in the same breath as Rick Warren. Tom Note: I moved this comment as it is really beginning a new subject. -CIB
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Note: I moved this comment as it is really beginning a new subject. -CIB
Edited by CovenantInBlood (Today (12/21/07) at 01:53 pm) Thank you, I agree Tom
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Beth Moore and the Rick Warren types promulgate what is anathema to Scripture and the Reformed faith.That is to say,their formats imply it is possible for man to "harness" God's favor by way of our own initiative or contrivance.... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/nono.gif" alt="" /> It's just how formats like that tend to come across.
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Tom, here is a review of one of her books: Get Out of That PitAlso, she sadly endorses emergent meditation techniques. See my friend Carla's post here
True godliness is a sincere feeling which loves God as Father as much as it fears and reverences Him as Lord, embraces His righteousness, and dreads offending Him worse than death~ Calvin
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Marie, Susan Disston wrote a review on Beth Moore's books in Modern Reformation magazine Nov./Dec. 2005 Vol: 14 Num: 6. You might like to read what she wrote. "Believing God"Susan Disston writes: "Moore is a pragmatist. When she reads the Bible she expects it to speak to her about her life in practical ways. She uses the people and stories in the Bible as allegories of the Christian life to explain how Christians can be defeated or victorious. Their destiny depends on how they respond to God. The equation is simple, according to Moore; the more faith they exercise, the better their reward in this life. Her books, Bible studies, videos, and speaking ministry follow a similar pattern of self-disclosure, plucky faith that is determined to overcome, and confirmation from the Bible that Christians can and do experience victory over sin, deliverance from bondage, and successful Christianity. Although she wants to be theological and Christ-centered, too much of Moore's material is about her take on her experience with God. Her writing tends to be undisciplined and shallow. She is far too willing to gloss over uncomfortable theological implications in favor of feel-good stories and quick explanations. Knowing God comes through experience; most sin is the result of failing to believe and be delivered; repentance is rarely mentioned. Her bent toward mysticism permits her to circumvent traditional theological interpretations and indulge in explanations of her own design that are Basically she says, don't let theology and doctrine confuse you when you can figure it out with God for yourself in a way that works for you. Unfortunately, people who use her materials can't help but absorb some of that reasoning. Even more troubling is that they think they're doing Bible study when they are really getting a heavy dose of mysticism, storytelling, psychology, and prosperity gospel. In the introduction to Believing God, Moore shows her true, but mistaken, agenda when she says, "I know I'm going to make it to heaven because I've trusted Christ as my Savior, but I want to make it to my Canaan on the way. I want to finish my race in the Promised Land, not in the wilderness. You too? Then we have to cash in our fear and complacency and spend all we have on the only ticket out: BELIEF." There are many worthy goals of Bible study, but securing heaven on earth is not one of them, at least for Reformed Christians. And the surest way to get off track is to add human effort to what God has already done in the cross of Christ, even when it's called believing God or faith. Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace, whereby we receive and rest upon him alone for salvation. Everything else is of grace in the Christian experience, too, thanks be to God." Wes
When I survey the wondrous cross on which the Prince of Glory died, my richest gain I count but loss and pour contempt on all my pride. - Isaac Watts
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Thank you for those links. On Carla's blog, it gave a few links to other articles, but unfortunately they are dead links. Do you know if they might be available by other avenues?
Tom
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