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Okay here is another one, feel like I've been living under a rock lately what is the Redemptive-Historical hermeneutic?


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Using scripture from Genesis to Revelation to show what Christ has done throughout history to secure the salvation of his people. Emphasizing the types and shadows in the Old Testament and their fulfillment in Christ in the New.
I guess that would be the simplest definition. I am sure it could be expanded upon, and might very well mean different things to different people.


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Rick,

Your definition is a good one. I found this quote which elaborates a little more....

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Defining Redemptive Historical Interpretation

Redemptive History* as a hermeneutic* focuses on the progressive self-revelation of God to His covenant* people through the vehicle of history. God is the sovereign Beginning and End of all things both in this world below and in heaven above. All things have a direction toward the consummation of God's good purposes. The culmination of the ages is the manifestation of God in the flesh, Jesus Christ, first in humiliation to accomplish God's eternal redemption and finally in glory to consummate the Kingdom of God. To these fullnesses of time God orchestrates all of history leading up. He foreshadows and alludes the consolation of Israel throughout the Old Testament. Redemption accomplished in history, heaven having intruded the lower regions of the earth, Jesus Christ reigns having fulfilled the Old Testament types and shadows. The church in the kingdom age like the nation of Israel before, is the nation of choice through which God has delighted to bless all the nations of the world. He has invested her with the means of grace, and they can be found no where else. She is a light to the nations. She is the heir and seat of the covenant promises and blessings. She is the new covenant historical manifestation of God's righteous kingdom. As redemptive historians we attempt to approach the Scriptures as the progressive self-disclosure of God. All of the Scriptures point to the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, become flesh. And all of the Scriptures need to be interpreted in light of His historical work, death, resurrection, and ascension.

Pete, come out from under that rock. Let your light shine!


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Thank you both, now a follow up question: I have seen many "Dispesational" theologians speak with derision regarding this hermeneutic because it doesn't define "Israel" as only the physical nation. In fact I've seen a few ministries like Zola Levitt's warn about how Moody and Dallas are going liberal because they no longer teach strict "Dispensationalism" but allow this hermeneutic to be taught. Is there any reason why this is a lesser hermeneutic than the grammatical-historical?


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Honestly, I dunno how Zola Levitt or any other Christian can read Ephesians chapter two - even casually - and still conclude that there are two peoples of God rather than one.

That's just wishful thinking on the part of:

1. - Those who suppose that if their faith fails, at least they're "in anyway" because they're Jewish;

2. - Rabid supporters of the state of Israel; and

3. - Those who teach to the popular "left behind" mythology.

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Thank you both, now a follow up question: I have seen many "Dispesational" theologians speak with derision regarding this hermeneutic because it doesn't define "Israel" as only the physical nation. In fact I've seen a few ministries like Zola Levitt's warn about how Moody and Dallas are going liberal because they no longer teach strict "Dispensationalism" but allow this hermeneutic to be taught. Is there any reason why this is a lesser hermeneutic than the grammatical-historical?

I think the reason dispensational theologians speak with derision about redemptive historical hermaneutics is because it doesn't agree with their preconceptions. Actually strict “dispensationalism” brings a lot of baggage in its hermeneutical approach. As Robin has pointed out how are you going to deal with the texts of Scripture that dispute it? Furthermore if you compare it to redemptive historical you will see that their view of eschatology is quite different. This raises further questions. Not only how do you support the idea about God having two select peoples but dispensationalist teachers hold to pretribulational premillennialism which certainly suggests a different escatology.


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