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Pilgrim said:
In the passage above, Paul argues NOT from Scripture, i.e., the inspired Old Testament but from nature itself by bringing forth two major tenets:
1) The existence of God is known individually, personally and internally, i.e., in one's mind and conscience from the very fact that man is created in the image of God; God's self-revelation to the soul (manifest IN them).
2) The existence of God is known empirically, i.e., through physical perception of the creation itself.
Thus ALL men are held guilty of denying God's existence intellectually and/or practically because they inherently know that He exists. To deny the existence of the one true God as He has revealed Himself is to consign oneself to futility, illogical and irrational thinking and a life of sin. Pilgrim, I agree with all you wrote. I guess my only point was, not that we shouldn't use other arguments, but that our primary proof for the existence of God should be Scripture. Would you agree with that? Do you think that since Romans was written to fellow Christians, Paul was arguing with his audience in mind? Thanks, John
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john said:
I guess my only point was, not that we shouldn't use other arguments, but that our primary proof for the existence of God should be Scripture. Would you agree with that? Do you think that since Romans was written to fellow Christians, Paul was arguing with his audience in mind? John, I am affirming the sole and final authority of God's inspired, infallible written Word. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/BigThumbUp.gif" alt="" /> Let there be no mistake about that. When I read that portion of Romans, unless I am missing something, Paul states that God's existence (the one true God) IS KNOWN inherently by all men because God has manifest His existence IN them. And secondly, he states that the natural creation testifies to God's existence, i.e., His eternal deity and godhead..... THUS they are without excuse. In short, without the inspired written Word, ALL men know God (His existence) and are held accountable for being knowledgeable of His existence. It is upon this truth that we hold to our presupposition of God's existence to which the Bible also testifies and expands upon in great detail. We cannot argue for much more using the natural creation for all that is to be known concerning God, salvation, etc., is contained in God's self-revelation in Christ and in His written Word. In His grace,
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