The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum The Mediator of Men not devils

Your "plain meaning" hermeneutic is pitiful, to say the least. Do you REALLY think that those texts you provided actually teach that fallen men are nothing more than animals, beasts? The tragedy is that fallen men ARE made in the image of God and thus the insult to God and their condemnation.

The "beastliness" shown in those passages refers to men's ungodliness NOT to the "imago dei" which they were created in by God. It is referring to the FALLEN STATE of that image. Once again for the last time, some of the image of God was eradicated at the Fall (spiritual death), the remainder, those communicable attributes, such as being a rational being, a free agent, ability to create on a temporal level, a moral being, etc., in distinction to animals survived albeit in a corrupt state to various degrees.

You would do well to discontinue accusing me of holding to views which I do not embrace. For example, I hold to the biblical doctrine of man's "Total Depravity" as taught in Scripture, upheld by the Reformers, taught in all the Reformed confessions and catechisms, defended by the Puritans and held among most of us here. If you hold to something other, then you are outside the camp.

Lastly, I do believe it is time to remind you of the Guidelines of this board. You can refresh your memory by reading them in the FAQ under the heading: What are the rules of conduct for the forum?.

In His grace,

Anthony,

Please help me understand your teaching by answering this question:



A simple yes or no would do nicely at this point.

Your so confused..The Image of God, Jesus christ had in its highest aptitude, man was made in this image as they were made in the image of the GodMan Mediator at creation..Man lost that image at the Fall..The Fall ruined man sir..The image of God is restored at regeneration, regeneration is the beginning of the predestinated end to conformity to Jesus christ..rom 8:

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This is being created again in the Image and Likeness of God, what man lost at the fall, but is restored 100 fold..man without christ, has not the image of God..you can believe that lie if you want to..

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Why you ask these questions, I never alluded to this did i ?

Anthony,

You may not have been alluding to or implying what I asked about, but you introduced the term "natural conception" in your OP:
Now that that has been established, please clarify for me at least--the others here may have figured it out, but I am a bit slow--in your doctrine, what is the cause of a newly conceived man/devil being under the federal headship of either Adam or Satan?

Okay, let's run with this one for starters and see where we get.

So, man was made in the exact same image as Jesus Christ? IF that is true then it must also be true that Adam and Eve were made identical to Jesus Christ. After all, the Scriptures say that Jesus Christ is the exact (express) image of the invisible God, cf. 2Cor 4:4; Col 1:15; Heb 1:3. And is it not true that Jesus Christ IS the living God?

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IF the "image" in which man was made did not include the attribute of deity, aseity, transcendence, et al, i.e., the incommunicable attributes of God, and this image is identical to that of Jesus Christ, then it has to follow that Jesus Christ is not God, right? Hey, this is what follows logically from YOUR words.

Okay, let's run with this one too and take it to its logical conclusion.

1. Sinners oops, the Elect have this "image of God" restored, which is created again in regeneration.
2. This "image" is that which Jesus Christ has possessed from all eternity.
3. Jesus Christ is perfect God.
4. This new image that the elect received in regeneration is "restored 100 fold".
5. Sooooooo, the regenerated elect man has a new image that exceeds not only that which Adam had but also the very image of Jesus Christ by 100 fold!!

Please tell me sir, how it is that a mere man, a creature created by God can possess an image that surpasses that which Christ, the living God-man, possesses by 100 times?

Lastly, I too want to challenge you on the eternal existence of JESUS the Christ. The Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, the only begotten of the Father undeniably is eternal, He being God of very God. But JESUS of Nazareth, son of Joseph and Mary, conceived by the Holy Spirit and born in Bethlehem Judah occupies time and space. God became man and lived upon this earth just as other men. Such must be the case if only for the reason that JESUS the Christ was the second Adam Who came as the perfect substitute for sinners, i.e., He had to not only obey all that God required in His law perfectly, but He also had to endure all the temptations, hardships, etc., through a perfect submission to the Father. That He surely did! This was not done in eternity but in history. Consider:

John 1:14 (KJV) "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

Philippians 2:6-7 (KJV) "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

Hebrews 2:18; 4:15 (KJV) "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted." ... "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

Unconfusedly yours,

Yes, in order for satans seed to populate the earth, God ordained that his seed, would be adopted into the natural seed of adam..you see, satan being a spiritual entity, could not copulate with women to propagate his seed, so God, in part of His justice and punishment to adam and eve, He ordained that the serents seed would come through natural generation same as the elect..so when God now forms a embryo in the womb, it will be either that of a elect person [the seed of the women or christ] or a non elect person [seed of the serpent..in other words, a vessel of mercy [womens seed or christ] or a vessel of wrath [satans seed]..you understand now ?

Really? And pray tell where did you get this idea from... in Scripture? Now don't try and give me a bunch of mumbo-jumbo exegetical gymnastics. I am wanting passages from Scripture, taken in CONTEXT, that reveal that God took/takes Satan's "seed" and adopted/adopts it into a man's sperm "seed", which results in a reprobate individual. Can you do that for me please?

The whole idea seems rather odd at best since angelic beings cannot reproduce and were not created to reproduce. So how God could take this alleged "seed" from a non-productive being and somehow incorporate it into a human male? It couldn't be, could it, that you have somehow totally misconstrued the meaning of "seed" as it is used IN CONTEXT in the Bible? Do you think that perhaps, just perhaps, the word "seed" has various meanings and that somehow your "source" has failed to distinguish how Scripture uses the word IN CONTEXT? I mean, it could happen, right? You don't believe that the "source" information you have nor its writers are infallible do you?

You deny that satan has a seed ? You have big problems with God then..for it is His revealation, look gen 3:

15And I will put enmity between thee[satan] and the woman, and between thy[satans] seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel..

They were alive and well in Jesus day, many centuries later from the gen 3 prediction, notice how Jesus addresses them..matt 23:

33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Jesus traces this wicked seed back to the death of abel by cain, who too was of the devils seed, observe 1 jn 3:

12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Now how did cain come into being ? gen 4:

1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

You see, through natural childbearing.., only God constituted him and appointed him of the seed of satan..its that simple..

God is responsible for who is of the seed of reprobation or the seed of election..

Egad...... the text isn't saying that the Devil, a spirit being has physical seed!! Angelic beings don't have reproductive systems, thus there is no "seed" in the sense you are claiming. Jesus said He was "the door", so do you believe He is a wooden structure fastened to a frame that people open and close? Jesus is the "lamb of God", do you therefore believe that He is the offspring of a sheep, walks on four legs and bleats?

All I can say at this point is that you are a most pitiable man. You haven't a clue about rightly interpreting Scripture. You are ensnared by the erroneous teachings of a very extreme group of schismatics from the early 17th century. Apparently, you have lost the ability to think for yourself, read the Scriptures for yourself and accept the teaching of others who have tried to point you in the right direction. Yes, you are pitifully deceived and blind. May the Lord have mercy upon you.

Oh yes, there is also that other matter of not paying attention to the stated Guidelines of this Board which I provided a link for that you would read them attentively. There are consequences for transgressing those Guidelines which we all are subject to.

In His grace,