The Highway Forums General Discussion Theology Discussion Forum The begotten God Heresy

The nicene says


The word begotten:

To father; sire.
To cause to exist or occur

Now, The father did not sire or father Deity..neither did He cause Deity to exist, He doesnt create other Deity..The Eternal Word, was not caused to exist or fathered, HE IS GOD jn 1:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God doesnt sire God..

God the Father is the Father of the man Jesus christ, Not The Eternal word..

You see, the mediator manhood of christ was begotten of God before all worlds, as the head of the election of grace col 1:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church:

Now, this sacred man who was bgotten before all worlds, was hypostatically joined with the Eternal word, and they became one..The Man Jesus christ recieves His Deity by being one with The Eternal word, who is unbegotten, uncreated, but eternal as the Father, and Self Exisitening as well..This is the true understanding of the Trinity sir, not that blasphemous greek philosophy born of corrupt rome..

1) You haven't provided any evidence for your assertions, apart from indeterminate referrences to "Greek myths," "Greek philosophy," & Justin Martyr's Dialogue. So, what you've shared with us is bare assertions mixed with contempt for the Trinitarian doctrine expounded by Nicaea.

2) You had best refrain yourself from speaking rashly of the only-begotten Son of God. We've been very patient with you already, & have gone to trouble to demonstrate how this doctrine is truly derived from Scripture. So far you have not responded with any sound exegesis of Scripture, merely endless assertions.

anthony,

Do you deny that the Holy Ghost proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son?



Also: Perhaps sometime when you are not so correct you can begin to spell the title Christ correctly.



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your blind to the evidence..the nicene reads:

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

their is no such thing as a begotten God, do you believe that the Eternal word of God is God ? if you do, then you are saying, agreeing with, the philsophy God is begotten..thats blasphemy..thats all the evidence a God fearing man or women would need..you reject gods evidence in favor of tradition..

Are you fluent or even familiar with Koine Greek? Ah, I didn't think so else you wouldn't have provided that definition for it is not what the Greek word monogenes means. And, there is yet another element which you are obviously not familiar with CONTEXT.

only begotten - monogenes
- only-born, i.e. sole:--only (begotten, child)
- remaining, i.e. sole or single; by implication, mere:--alone, only, by themselves.

I have previously provided you with the example of Isaac vs. Ishmael, both of whom were of Abraham. But Isaac is called "the only begotten son", thus distinguishing him from Ishmael NOT in regard to their physical birth, but in relation to his place of recognition, status, etc. This is how "only begotten" is to be understood in regard to the Son and Jesus Christ; God's ONLY, SOLE, DISTINGUISHED, RECOGNIZED... Son. Get it??

I've already explained what this means. It does not have anything to do with the "origins" of the Son. You have consistently ignored what I have said, and in the course you have ignore both history & Scripture.



All you've done here is constantly spew forth a silly, uninformed, head-in-the-sand Particular Baptist tradition which, besides its inconsistencies with Scripture & church history, is inconsistent with itself. Call the doctrine of Nicaea blasphemy, but you have demonstrated nothing to that effect. All your assertions are just that: ASSERTIONS. You've proven nothing. The eternal Word is God, this Word is the only-begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father. This Word, this only-begotten Son, singular & uncreated, having the same substance as the Father, in time became incarnate, taking to Himself a created human nature, so to save His elect from sin. The Son did not suddenly spring forth from the essence of the Father, as though He had previously not existed, but the Son has always been in relationship to His Father as the only-begotten Son, full of grace & truth.