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Johan #42729 Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Johan
This is my last post on this topic.

After reading the arguments on both sides, I realize that we are not like minded on this subject. To me this is a serious and harmful error on all that hold that Christ's sacrifice was not available to the non-elect, as I'm sure you believe the same of me. Because of that, I do not wish to be associated with the Highway and so I am no longer going to participate nor visit the site. For some that will be welcome news. Whoever is moderator, feel free to remove all information referring to Hisalone and all posts as you wish.

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This is not a sign of defeat, but acknowledgement that further discussion is fruitless for all concerned.


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Matt. 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. KJV
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This is not a sign of defeat, but acknowledgement that further discussion is fruitless for all concerned.

Is there nothing else here that is beneficial to you? Further discussion on this particular matter may be fruitless as you say, but does that mean you can't benefit from reading/contributing to other subjects or do you deem this to be so serious an error it colors everything else for you?

Just curious.

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It's not welcomed news to me. It's only a wonder that after 5 1/2 years you realize that the majority here believe in 5 not 4 points of calvinism. Come on back you know your an addict.




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Originally Posted by hisalone
Originally Posted by Johan
This is my last post on this topic.

After reading the arguments on both sides, I realize that we are not like minded on this subject. To me this is a serious and harmful error on all that hold that Christ's sacrifice was not available to the non-elect, as I'm sure you believe the same of me. Because of that, I do not wish to be associated with the Highway and so I am no longer going to participate nor visit the site. For some that will be welcome news. Whoever is moderator, feel free to remove all information referring to Hisalone and all posts as you wish.

In Christ's Love
God Bless

This is not a sign of defeat, but acknowledgement that further discussion is fruitless for all concerned.

hisalone

Not sure if you are going to read this or not, but I read your profile and I see you are a fan of Thomas Manton.
In case you are not aware, Thomas Manton was Reformed and held to the WCF and also held to the so called error that you are talking about.
In case you are not also aware, the logical conclusion of holding to all 5 points of the doctrines of grace is that only the elect will/can become Christians.

One thing that doesn't make sense to me about the view that Christ sacrifice was available to the non-elect is it appears that it is in direct contraction to verses such as John 6:37, where it says that "All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me,...".
In order for your logic to be correct, the verse would need to read something like: "All that the Father gives to Me, have the ability to come to Me,...".
However, the verse leaves no possibility that someone who is given to Christ will not come to Jesus.
I might also add that if it was possible for some given to Jesus, not to come to Jesus, then it would put into question God’s sovereignty.
Something else that comes to mind is: Why would Christ’s sacrifice be available to the non-elect, being that they will not believe anyway?

Perhaps my reasoning is somehow flawed, but it is not the first time I have brought this up and so far nobody has really showed me how it is flawed.
Can you?

Tom

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